Winky's legacy?

[RAESAAD]

**** entertainment. This aint the WWE.

Amen..........

[King Koyle]

**** entertainment. This aint the WWE.

True!But if Winky can win with his boxing skills,then why change anything?I don't think he is going to go in there and start brawling and risk his legacy and future multi-million dollar fights,if he doesn't have to.Some can brawl,and some can box.Winky can box.So thats what he does.

[King Koyle]

Sorry Iwatchboxing!Im ******ed.You were agreeing with me.

[machotime]

Good points!Winky just wants to win his way.Nothing wrong with that.

i agree, but the public(especially non-boxers) will not remember him as a great. he has lots of talent, and he has the best defense that I have seen, but defense does not sell. I would rather watch B-hop than I would Winky. In 10 years winky will be a name, a previous champ, not a house hold name that everyone remembers.

[beezy 14]

O I agree he won't be the "household name" 30 years from now, but that's mostly because of stuff that has nothing to do with boxing and not his boxing ability and career. And to that guy that said he threw 15 punches a round, lets be serious you don't beat the people he's beat especially when half your fights were in Europe and your not the crowd favorite. He had to hit people to win fights, he often makes people look foolish like the Trinidad fight or capitalizes on his advantages like using size to beat the smaller Mosley but that's what smart boxers do. Just like Hopkins used his size advantage against Oscar and Trinidad and those were two of Hopkins biggest names on his resumee and he gets credit so should winky.Ferocity was getting on Winky because Shane and Trinidad were smaller then Winky, but doesn't with other fighters.

[machotime]

O I agree he won't be the "household name" 30 years from now, but that's mostly because of stuff that has nothing to do with boxing and not his boxing ability and career. And to that guy that said he threw 15 punches a round, lets be serious you don't beat the people he's beat especially when half your fights were in Europe and your not the crowd favorite. He had to hit people to win fights, he often makes people look foolish like the Trinidad fight or capitalizes on his advantages like using size to beat the smaller Mosley but that's what smart boxers do. Just like Hopkins used his size advantage against Oscar and Trinidad and those were two of Hopkins biggest names on his resumee and he gets credit so should winky.Ferocity was getting on Winky because Shane and Trinidad were smaller then Winky, but doesn't with other fighters.

Hopkins is given credit by people who don't realize the size difference between a true welter and a true middleweight.

This thread pertains to Winky's legacy....one cannot have a legacy if you do not do anything that allows people to remember you.

[beezy 14]

People realize that B-Hop beat smaller men(oscar,Trinidad) but they were still good opponents. People look at Bhop's ten yrs or so of sitting on top of the division and even in defeat to Taylor it was extremely close. Are you suggesting that BHop is overrated MachoTime? And in Winky's case it's not like he was protected, just avoided and we see why now. If he beats the bigger Taylor I wonder what ppl will say then? And look at the way he beat Trinidad and Mosley it was a borderline dominant performance especially Trinidad and 1 Mosley fight.Listen to how Manny Steward and others regard Winky they know he was ducked up until Mosley!

[beezy 14]

MachoTime in the Soliman/Trinidad thread you in there mad that ppl called out Tito about retiring after his losses. He did tho and then dissapeared, you say he's a for sure HallofFamer and this may be true, but tell me how Tito is but Winky isn't when Winky dominated him and beat Vargas 1 of Tito's best wins. Winky got robbed against Vargas and Tito won but got dropped in the process against Vargas.My point is that Tito struggled and used a low blow to pull it out, he won but Winky looked better against Vargas. Tito also robbed Oscar so don't bring that up and beat an Old Pernell.Tito was good but if he sits high with you,than how could Bhop or Winky not? O that's right those are the 2 fighters that exposed Tito and sent him into rerirement! Now I understand your bias, had they scored that Oscar fight correct Tito would have lost his 3 biggest fights Oscar, Winky, Bhop. And losing is okay but not the way he lost looking bad in all of them.

[ferocity]

Look at the winky's thread ferocity and you tell me ppl think Winky's overrated!He beat a good fighter in mosley twice, Vargas was young but he's showing those were his better days and the vazquez loss was the 1 loss I said he had not that Vargas robbery! He beat mostly everybody he fought assuming he beats Taylor then how could he not rank all time somewhere. Then who does ? he can't help that people ducked him and he didn;t squeek by in his top fights he won clearly and made ppl look bad doing it. Ppl like vargas are good but they loose the toughest fights whereas winky wins his, how you disrespect him is beyond me he beat mosley 2 and trinidad badly who beat vargas. He also won several fights in Europe against the odds,if he beats Taylor then you must give him respect, he just took Hopkins crown. So what does he need to do then Ferocious? remember he was ducked !

LOL, ducked! yeah right! who ducked him? you know he also lost fair and square to harry simon? and then he had to start again, he was a champion and then beat mosley who got his fame at lightweight and his respect from one win and thats over delahoya, mosley without dealhoya, mosley becomes, "who is mosley?"

winky is over-rated he ducked kassim ouma, when ouma was the #1 ranked fighter so don't give me no bs, and vargas kicked his ass, vargas dug deep in the later round to pull it off, while winky was in his high guard the last rounds.

i'll tell you again winky is not beating taylor!

[ferocity]

if winky was as good as some of you say, then no way in hell would he look like an amature against soliman, but winky did in fact look like an amature in their with soliman if that was pernal whitiker he would have picked off soliman so badly, soliman would be hitting air and falling on his punchs,

the same fighter that destroyed winky.....pernal whitiker beat him with ease,

and im tired of hearing the excuse of winky being young in the vasquez fight, look if winky could take a punch -vasquez punch- winky would have won, but he couldn't and got his ass kicked

and vargas, A YOUNG VARGAS! beat winky, it was only after a young vargas that had the balls to face a boxer like winky and still beat him, even while going through all kinds of legal problems and family problems, some or many of you may hate vargas but at least recognize that a young vargas gave winky hell and beat him

i'd even have quartey over winky and just maybe, maybe forest over winky