Winky's legacy?

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O and ferocity about the DeLaHoya thing now I think Winky would beat Oscar, before idunno just because Winky fought at 154 like his whole career and Oscar would be so much smaller if we're talking in his prime. Don't forget about Winky's jab that is dangerous,it would be like the sturm fight. Oscar could win but it would be difficult, that's not a negative to Oscar he's just much smaller and Winky can box also.

winky and prime delahoya in the same sentence, yeah right, winky loses and thats that

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again as i've said, winky ducked KASSIM OUMA when ouma was his number 1 challenger and MANDATORY!

whats your opinion on this part of BOXING HISTORY?

[beezy 14]

I never said that Tito didn't have a good record or legacy but what did I say that makes me a "rookie" because I pointed out what several people noticed about Tito? The difference is I never dissed Tito like you did Winky, and look at the Simon fight or read anywhere factual and it'll say they changed the decision. And you can't argue it cuz you said you didn't see it,you try to discredit everything Winky did and make excuses for Tito. They fought and the way Tito loss it was evident that he had no answer and would of lost on any night most likely. You saying he was older Winky's older then him by 4 years so what's your point. Your taking it as shots at Tito but it's not he just lost some big fights against guys that could box. And it wasn't just a size advantage because he got exposed in the Oscar fight because Oscar can box.He beat a 34 yr old legend in pernell but still looked akward because of Pernell's boxing abilities.What about those facts is rookie?

[beezy 14]

I agree that Oscar could have won in his prime possibly, I was never stating that he was better then Oscar as far as legacy .But he's so much bigger then a prime Oscar that's why I gave him a shot and he has good defense. The difference in Oscar and Tito is that Oscar can box so he woulden't do like Tito and look for 1 big punch and never find it against Winky. So Oscar could win but don't act like it would be a cake walk, ask Mosley who beat Delahoya.

[ferocity]

I never said that Tito didn't have a good record or legacy but what did I say that makes me a "rookie" because I pointed out what several people noticed about Tito? The difference is I never dissed Tito like you did Winky, and look at the Simon fight or read anywhere factual and it'll say they changed the decision. And you can't argue it cuz you said you didn't see it,you try to discredit everything Winky did and make excuses for Tito. They fought and the way Tito loss it was evident that he had no answer and would of lost on any night most likely. You saying he was older Winky's older then him by 4 years so what's your point. Your taking it as shots at Tito but it's not he just lost some big fights against guys that could box. And it wasn't just a size advantage because he got exposed in the Oscar fight because Oscar can box.He beat a 34 yr old legend in pernell but still looked akward because of Pernell's boxing abilities.What about those facts is rookie?

winkys is over hyped and given too much credit for a win, in which he fought a shadow of trinidad, and to think winky would beat trindad in anytime of his career, you are in fact a rookie!

that like saying macho camacho would have beaten ray leonard in anytime in his career

LOL, TRINIDAD dominated whitiker and from all boxing writers and whitiker himself, whitiker got dominated, you're crazy to think that winky was in their with a prime trinidad

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winky had been at jr. middlweight almost his whole career about 10 years and in those ten years he's had three title shots, and now, how can you compare margarito to him, when "no one" wants to give him a chance to prove himself?

why didn't your boy! move up in weight YEARS AGO if he thinks people were ducking him? I'll tell you why, cause he keep waiting for the right time to move up in weight, he thinks he can beat taylor where in reality all he wants is a pay check

you think Trinidad is going to be judged by one fight!?trinidad was past his prime. Damn, rookie, know ****, and you think boxing historians arn't going to look at winkys career when they judge him? you a damn, rookie! winkys resume can't compare to Trinidads, plain and simple, winkys career can't be matched with Trinidads cause their is no competion.

delahoya exposed trinidad, so don't make it out as if hopkins and winky did so first, DON'T GIVE credit where it is not due, it is "not" due to hopkins nor winky, only to delahoya

i know and remember a lot of what writers were saying about the simon v. winky fight and it was no robbery

winky beats an old shadow of trinidad and all of a sudden winky is in the same league as a pernal whitiker and better resume then trinidad, LOL, mosley was offered to fight trinidad, guess what? MOSLEY TURNED DOWN THE FIGHT

and you are already making excuses for winky, for when he gets beat by taylor, LOL

winky couldn't even handle SOLIMAN, what a f'en joke, but credit to soliman he rose to the occasion and in another time he would have gone home with the victory. winky struggleD with a fighter like soliman but yet his legacy is better then trinidad, LOL

im sure you loved! winkys performance against robert frazier a fighter David Reid beat years ago!

bump bump bump

[beezy 14]

Why do you say that Winky is just looking for a payday against Taylor? Who doesn't look for top dollar fight's? Tito used to get drawn out of retirement for them all the time, and you making excuses for Margotito not doing the same and he could get a payday to if he moved up to 154. They're are several fights up there for him and he could carry the weight and prove himself while getting bigger paydays. So don't put Margorito inthe same breath class as Winky and try to get on a fighter who's taking on 1 of the brightest stars in Taylor and he's BIGGER. But your boy Margorito keep's saying people are ducking him and calling out PBF who is 15 pounds atleast lighter and shorter. And his best win is Kermit Cintron , cut it out and give Winky his due. And you really think Winky is scared of Oumma? Look at the names he's beaten including your boy Tito,and the last time he lost a fight and then talk that nonsense. Just look at what other people had to say about Winky on this thread,if he beats Taylor will he be good then or still overrated? You being a Tito fan should know how good he is by how he thoroughly beat him,maybe that's why your hating on him tho.

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Why do you say that Winky is just looking for a payday against Taylor? Who doesn't look for top dollar fight's? Tito used to get drawn out of retirement for them all the time, and you making excuses for Margotito not doing the same and he could get a payday to if he moved up to 154. They're are several fights up there for him and he could carry the weight and prove himself while getting bigger paydays. So don't put Margorito inthe same breath class as Winky and try to get on a fighter who's taking on 1 of the brightest stars in Taylor and he's BIGGER. But your boy Margorito keep's saying people are ducking him and calling out PBF who is 15 pounds atleast lighter and shorter. And his best win is Kermit Cintron , cut it out and give Winky his due. And you really think Winky is scared of Oumma? Look at the names he's beaten including your boy Tito,and the last time he lost a fight and then talk that nonsense. Just look at what other people had to say about Winky on this thread,if he beats Taylor will he be good then or still overrated? You being a Tito fan should know how good he is by how he thoroughly beat him,maybe that's why your hating on him tho.

LOOK, kid, MARGARITO is calling out another WELTERWEIGHT FIGHTER in MAYWEATHER! Is maywether NOT A WELTERWEIGHT OR IS HE A WELTERWEIGHT? Since when did calling out a name fighter to face you, for claiming to be the best when you have paid your dues in this division and all you want to do is have a chance to prove yourself and you and other protect Mayweather from a tough fighter like Margarito?! Shame on yourself

All Margarito is doing is calling out another welterweight fighter to fight him, its not his fault the ***** girl came in his division. If i was margarito i too would be calling out ***** girl for thinking his name carries him to the number 1 spot automaticly without facing him, the number 1 welterweight contender

why is so much heat on margarito for not moving up?

Who at jr. middleweight is going to give him a title shot and who has already offered margarito a title shot to move up in weight for the title shot?

Didn't winky only move up in weight to fight trinidad?

Who is going to bring millions for margarito to move up in weight and have a secured fight for millions? I know Mosley already turned him down, mayweather already turned him down.

Margarito is feared plain and simple and he has no excuse for needing to move up when right now if he was to move up to jr. middleweight he'd have the same problem as he has at welterweight, so why move up in weight when he is comfortable at welterweight. What just because you want to see smaller welterweights like mayweather, LOL, and bigger welterweights then mayweather you want to see move up in weight. seems to me you fear mayweather getting in the ring with fighters that are bigger then your boy maywether

and you know what you may aswell ask Kermit Cintron to move to jr. middleweight cause he is a big welterweight too

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You can stop with that "kid" stuff and stop acting like a lil girl when somebody don't agree with you. Nothing I said to you was false I know that PBF is at 147 but your a Margorito fan you should know he's a good fighter I wouldn't try to take that away from him. But PBF been wanting Oscar for obvious reasons as do most fighters,and at 154 that's a dangerous fight that would do more for his legacy. You can understand that right? So I was asking you if your a good fighter(margorito) and nobody will face you or you can have a bigger payday at the next weight group up(154) then why woulden't you move up and then peolpe coulden't say who did he beat. Is it because when he did move up things didn't go so well? People have been moving up for years chasing people for paydays or whatever reason Mosley did it before and he's a future HofFamer. More importantly your talking down on Winky when he's doing what margorito should do take the best fight even if he is bigger. And I would like Margorito to fight PBF and Hatton etc. so don't think I'm dissing him. He just hasn't beat snybody yet and isn't a big enough money bringer to demand fights and make it worth the while. High risk low reward so you can talk about Winky all you wamt but remember he was ducked before as well but he went out and made guys fight him.

[beezy 14]

So your saying he's ducked by everyone and that's only partially true. People realize he's a big strong fearless opponent. But why would an elite fighter fight a guy that his biggest win is Cintron for less money then he could make against a more accomplished fighter? So that doesn't mean they're ducking you, and I don't believe the elite fighters who have tons of accomplishments and tough opponents are scared of Margorito. I just don't believe that!