Winky's legacy?

[ferocity]

You can stop with that "kid" stuff and stop acting like a lil girl when somebody don't agree with you. Nothing I said to you was false I know that PBF is at 147 but your a Margorito fan you should know he's a good fighter I wouldn't try to take that away from him. But PBF been wanting Oscar for obvious reasons as do most fighters,and at 154 that's a dangerous fight that would do more for his legacy. You can understand that right? So I was asking you if your a good fighter(margorito) and nobody will face you or you can have a bigger payday at the next weight group up(154) then why woulden't you move up and then peolpe coulden't say who did he beat. Is it because when he did move up things didn't go so well? People have been moving up for years chasing people for paydays or whatever reason Mosley did it before and he's a future HofFamer. More importantly your talking down on Winky when he's doing what margorito should do take the best fight even if he is bigger. And I would like Margorito to fight PBF and Hatton etc. so don't think I'm dissing him. He just hasn't beat snybody yet and isn't a big enough money bringer to demand fights and make it worth the while. High risk low reward so you can talk about Winky all you wamt but remember he was ducked before as well but he went out and made guys fight him.

LOL, you started with the kid stuff im just restraining myself from bringing in foul language.

as i said,why should margarito move up?

ANSWER! what is waiting for margarito at jr. middleweight?

At middleweight, margarito is just another name fighter who then has to start all over and prove himself their.... as he already has at welterweight and keeps doing so.

Winky stayed at jr. middleweight for many, many years, or you don't recognize this?

Winky moved up cause a lot of money was thrown at him.

And Winky as i have already said, Winky was given his chance to prove himself and he lost twice, to Vasquez and Vargas. He won his title from.....fill in the blank...since you know who winky is.

Again, WINKY stayed at jr. middlweight for many years, he only moved up in weight cause he was offered a big money fight, WHY? don't you recognize this?

Who has yet to offer the million winky got for moving up in weight?

Why was Mosley eager to fight Winky, yet not eager to fight MARGARTIO?

History has shown a figher moves up in weight for money or because he can't make the weight anymore, MARGARITO HAS NEITHER OF THOSE REASONS TO MOVE UP IN WEIGHT!

[ferocity]

So your saying he's ducked by everyone and that's only partially true. People realize he's a big strong fearless opponent. But why would an elite fighter fight a guy that his biggest win is Cintron for less money then he could make against a more accomplished fighter? So that doesn't mean they're ducking you, and I don't believe the elite fighters who have tons of accomplishments and tough opponents are scared of Margorito. I just don't believe that!

LOL, you don't belive elite fighters are ducking margarito, but you partially aggree that they are, LOL

and yet you recognize that winky was ducked in the past, LOL

[beezy 14]

I said that I think that people realize he's tough meaning these people that say Margorito is all hype he coulden't beat any elite fighter is wrong. But I don't think that evaerybody is ducking him either they simply wanna get credit legacy wise and financially for beating a good fighter. And right now that woulden't happen, that's why Mosley would rather face Vargas again and get 5 times as much maybe more. And why PBF will get 15 or so against Oscar who is still a challenge at 154. Hatton facing Collazo at 147 maybe that's the only other elite fighter who could make more with Tony then with their current opponent. So that's why I don't dislike Margorito and would like to see many of the same fights you would. But I understand why they're not fighting him and don't assume they're scared. And be fair to Winky his resumee pre mosley is better then Margorito's now, go to Box#%$.com and you'll see that.

[ferocity]

I said that I think that people realize he's tough meaning these people that say Margorito is all hype he coulden't beat any elite fighter is wrong. But I don't think that evaerybody is ducking him either they simply wanna get credit legacy wise and financially for beating a good fighter. And right now that woulden't happen, that's why Mosley would rather face Vargas again and get 5 times as much maybe more. And why PBF will get 15 or so against Oscar who is still a challenge at 154. Hatton facing Collazo at 147 maybe that's the only other elite fighter who could make more with Tony then with their current opponent. So that's why I don't dislike Margorito and would like to see many of the same fights you would. But I understand why they're not fighting him and don't assume they're scared. And be fair to Winky his resumee pre mosley is better then Margorito's now, go to Box#%$.com and you'll see that.

you are delusional to think that beating a top contender like margarito means nothing. Any fighter period right now, that is able to defeat margarito will get credit for it, you just don't belive in him or see why people are ducking him so you think a win over him is meaningless

people don't fight margarito not cause they think, they wont get credit for it, but because people are afraid to lose to him, plain and simple

hey, WHO DID WINKY BEAT TO TAKE HIS TITLE? i thought you were a winky fan yet you don't know this? and who broadcasted his fight? easy questions for a winky fan, show me that you have been following winky as far back.

[beezy 14]

I didn't say beating a fighter like Margorito wasn't a good win I said that it's a high risk low reward,so people wanna fight PBF and judah etc but they're scared of Margorito? stop it. Sure I have 1 of the Bronco fights, The bigger J.C. Candelo, Harry Simon, both the mosley's,in my collection as well as th Tito fight,Vargas fight and the Frazier fight. These are fights I have and have seen many more but not all because many were outside the country. Why would I argue this if I didn't see them, your the one that obviously hasn't seen many of his fights. He's defensive but still scores effective jabs and counters,often clearly winning on points he developed that style because he had to clearly win to get decisions in Europe.

[beezy 14]

You prove to me you saw some of his fight's , what did I say about Winky that is incorrect? He and Margorito arent in the same breath and you know that but I'll leave it at that. The thread speaks for itself about Winky and his resumee as well, you putting Magorito in the same breath as him is crazy. And again I like Margorito and think he could have a good future, but I don't hink everybody is scared of him. That's my opinion I respect yours but Margorito has to do more before you can put him in the same as elite fighters past or present.

[ferocity]

I didn't say beating a fighter like Margorito wasn't a good win I said that it's a high risk low reward,so people wanna fight PBF and judah etc but they're scared of Margorito? stop it. Sure I have 1 of the Bronco fights, The bigger J.C. Candelo, Harry Simon, both the mosley's,in my collection as well as th Tito fight,Vargas fight and the Frazier fight. These are fights I have and have seen many more but not all because many were outside the country. Why would I argue this if I didn't see them, your the one that obviously hasn't seen many of his fights. He's defensive but still scores effective jabs and counters,often clearly winning on points he developed that style because he had to clearly win to get decisions in Europe.

you just got exposed. so you just jumped onto the winky bandwagon, i already knew this by the info you are typing, its ok to know a fighter from old video of his fights but those fights don't tell you the facts of boxing surrounding this fighter

and not to break your fantasy, winky developed his style after he got his ass kicked by vasquez

if somone doesn't want to fight you, then yes it is being ducked, especailly in margaritos instance cause he's been the number one fighter for so long

j.c. candelo, candelo a fair contender, do i need to bring up some history on this guy for you? ok i will, he had a fight lined up and one of his opponets pulled out, they got a replacment for him in 1 week, and in that week his opponet had to lose weight to make weight, and his new opponet was a nobody, but fought his heart out to defeat candelo, putting candelo as one of winkys best wins is funny but it may be true.

[ferocity]

You prove to me you saw some of his fight's , what did I say about Winky that is incorrect? He and Margorito arent in the same breath and you know that but I'll leave it at that. The thread speaks for itself about Winky and his resumee as well, you putting Magorito in the same breath as him is crazy. And again I like Margorito and think he could have a good future, but I don't hink everybody is scared of him. That's my opinion I respect yours but Margorito has to do more before you can put him in the same as elite fighters past or present.

LOL, but to be honest a fight between margarito v. winky would be interesting you know why?

because winky will come forward, margarito would allow this lean up against him and pound away or margarito could lean back and wait till winky opens up and as relaxed as margarito can be just wait and through immedite bombs to a high guard winky, who would be very,very tentative against margarito for fear of exposing his chin

[beezy 14]

Exposed what are you talking about I been liking Winky for years I also got that Soliman fight . I stated to you in a earlier post about the Vazquez fight and that Winky got knocked down numerous times etc. and showed great heart but lost. I said the candelo because it was a fight in my collection, I told you I have the Frazier fight where he got the vacant belt. That's not getting exposed I noticed your biased towards Latino fighters. The difference is that I don't ignore hispnic fighters achievments and legacy. That's what your doing to Winky but yey making excuses for Margorito having no big wins yet and Tito getting exposed. Don't be biased like that I'm not towards latin fighters.

[beezy 14]

I know there are a couple more fights I have you want me to talk about him leaving his promoter or something. lol Like Winky's a bandwagon person to jump on cut it out! The fight's I have of Winky there on SHOWTIME but maybe his fights before he could get fights in the US might not have been .