Zab Judah what went wrong?

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  • ////
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    #61
    Originally posted by mani1
    What makes Froch career so much greater after the super 6 he was at best tge 3rd or 4th best fighter in the division behind a faded Kessler whom he lost too. Dirrell whom he got a disgracefull gift against and Ward whom he lost every round too and judging by many hyping Froch's win over Bute he was also behind Bute.
    Just because Kessler pulled out with an injury after beating Froch doesnt make Froch better.

    What makes 168 division weak is the fact that the Killers such as Bute, Dirrell, Kessler, Abraham etc are and were never very great figgters Kessler was the best of the bunch and he proved it by beating Froch whilst past prime with an eye injury just because Froch went on to barely beat him years later when he way past his prime doesnt change the fact Kessler was a better figgter than him and he wasnt a great fighter either.
    Ward is a very good figgter he easily beat Froch i had him winning every round.
    OK cool but that's still better than Judah

    If Froch's resume was going 1-1 vs cory spinks and a mostly disregarded SD vs matthysse we probably wouldn't remember him by now

    Good thing Zab's a bit of a character so we remember him
    Last edited by ////; 10-24-2016, 11:35 AM.

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      #62
      Originally posted by IronDanHamza
      A lot of people point to stamina with Zab, I disagree there aswell.

      He finishedbstrong against Garcia, he even had a decent 12th against Floyd. He's finished strong in a few fights.

      Judah always seemed to do well in the first 4, then got worse as the fight went on. I don't think that's a stamina issue I think that's because once fighters worked him out and timed him he couldn't rely on his speed.

      One thing Judah is is FAST. He's one of the fast fighters I've ever seen when it comes to pure hand speed.

      Gave Floyd fits for four rounds, gave Cotto fits for four rounds. Gave a lot of fighters fits for four rounds. But once they've got his timing down they can go to work, and that's where Judah's lack of IQ and any plan B come into play.
      Most fighters finish strong when they spend the first half of the fight not fighting.

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      • mani1
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        #63
        Originally posted by ////
        OK cool but that's still better than Judah
        Ok cool one will go down as THE MAN in one of the hottest divisions in the history of boxing.

        The other a mere paper champ in the weakest division in the history of boxing with a win over a shot to **** Kessler and Bute whom had lost to every good fighter he has faced.

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          #64
          Originally posted by ////
          OK cool but that's still better than Judah

          If Froch's resume was going 1-1 vs cory spinks and a mostly disregarded SD vs matthysse we probably wouldn't remember him by now

          Good thing Zab's a bit of a character so we remember him
          Cory Spinks was the man for a time what was a green Dirrell whom Froch needed the ref and the judges help to win, no rematch offered either.

          Also went 1-1 against a well past his best Kessler whom is remembered for losing to the g.o.a.t Calzaghe years earlier when he was actually a very good fighter at least compared to the utter dross minus a few what make up 168
          Last edited by mani1; 10-24-2016, 11:41 AM.

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            #65
            Originally posted by mani1
            Ok cool one will go down as THE MAN in one of the hottest divisions in the history of boxing.

            The other a mere paper champ in the weakest division in the history of boxing with a win over a shot to **** Kessler and Bute whom had lost to every good fighter he has faced.
            zab wont really go down as anything... nobody will remember him

            1-1 vs cory spinks and BS decision over matthysse isn't a historic career

            by far his biggest source of public exposure was the kostya knockout becomign a viral internet clip

            just an unimportant fighter with no flagship wins

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            • mani1
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              #66
              Originally posted by ////
              zab wont really go down as anything... nobody will remember him

              1-1 vs cory spinks and BS decision over matthysse isn't a historic career

              by far his biggest source of public exposure was the kostya knockout becomign a viral internet clip

              just an unimportant fighter with no flagship wins
              It is when compared to going 1-1 against a shot Kessler and losing every round to Ward.

              I guess boxing is a popularity contest for you because the fact is ones a former two weight world champ former 147 kingpin the other a paper champ with a plastic nose

              Coincidentally what is Frochs flagship win?

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                #67
                Zab's confidence/motivation diminished after the Tzsyu fight.

                If he had got a chance to rise up and beat tszyu somehow, he mighht have had a different career.

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                • IronDanHamza
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                  #68
                  Originally posted by Canelo and GGG
                  Yea he was but not after spectacural Run, he was easly overpowerd in WW ,he could took a punishment but he couldt focus on the game plan to the end of a fight
                  He couldn't do that at 140 either.

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by IronDanHamza
                    He couldn't do that at 140 either.
                    Thats true, maybe i see it like that cuse his dawnfall was in WW

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                      #70
                      Did you expect him to be an ATG or something?

                      He did well, won multiple title across two divisions and was briefly undisputed at 147.

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