Zab Judah what went wrong?

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why don't you enlighten me about which divisions are historically weaker than 168.

What is your top 10 at 168? Jones and Toney barely fought there.

How high is "ATG" Sven Otke on that list lol

I don't see how a division being new and having a short history automatically lowers everyone who fought in it a notch?

Judah's career was not in the same tier as Froch's.

[bojangles1987]

I don't see how a division being new and having a short history automatically lowers everyone who fought in it a notch?

Judah's career was not in the same tier as Froch's.

Seriously, 168 during Froch's career as a champion and contender was considered one of, if not the best division in boxing. and Froch walked away from that era as the second greatest fighter of that era.

This poster is heavily downplaying every win he has while trying to champion way worse wins for Judah.

[True-Boxing-Fan]

This guy had one of the best talent i have seen,,but from Boldomir Fight all went to hell.Idk how he lost to Boldomir(i watched fight just still cant get it),In Cotto fight there was tactical mistakes made,He should win this fight,he was counter punching Cotto and cought him big time 2 times,instead of box he started to fight with Cotto and nobody chilled him in the corner,his father couldnt control him at all,Zab was out of control and lost cuse of stiupid decisions,Do you guys think that Zab could achive more with trainer like Atlas?Teddy would hold him short and Control him in fight,his father was bad trainer for him,or you think that with Zab personality he couldnt be one of the best?Zab let me down big take, i still enjoy couple of his fights,he lost to fighters he should defeat with easy,his carrere is big waste IMO.What went wrong in your opinion guys??

You want to know what went wrong with him?

Period point blank, dude was a mental midget. You can have all the so called "tools" but if you don't got the mental makeup to pull you through the tough times then you will go nowhere. And that's what was wrong.

[IronDanHamza]

Yea 147 was a no no for Zab

He was undisputed champion there so it's hard to say it was a mistake.

Judah is Judah, talented guy with physical gifts but lacks skills and IQ.

People question his heart, I don't. Judah showed a lot of heart a lot of times. Cotto, Garcia, Matthysse, Tszyu list goes on where he took some hellacious punishment and didn't quit. The Cotto and Garcia fights especially he grit his teeth and fought back when the going was tough.

Judah's issue was he was simply wasn't good enough.

[IronDanHamza]

A lot of people point to stamina with Zab, I disagree there aswell.

He finishedbstrong against Garcia, he even had a decent 12th against Floyd. He's finished strong in a few fights.

Judah always seemed to do well in the first 4, then got worse as the fight went on. I don't think that's a stamina issue I think that's because once fighters worked him out and timed him he couldn't rely on his speed.

One thing Judah is is FAST. He's one of the fast fighters I've ever seen when it comes to pure hand speed.

Gave Floyd fits for four rounds, gave Cotto fits for four rounds. Gave a lot of fighters fits for four rounds. But once they've got his timing down they can go to work, and that's where Judah's lack of IQ and any plan B come into play.

[New England]

the other guy is allowed to hit you back. and the fights go 12 rounds, not 4.

[TOBYLEE1]

Zab surrounded himself with too much negativity that affected him mentally.

Even in between you saw the flash of how good he could had been if he were consistent

[mani1]

Seriously, 168 during Froch's career as a champion and contender was considered one of, if not the best division in boxing. and Froch walked away from that era as the second greatest fighter of that era.

This poster is heavily downplaying every win he has while trying to champion way worse wins for Judah.

Froch was not a champion he was a paper champ the only reigning champ he beat was Bute who's best win was Bika.

He lost clearly to Dirrell do you disagree?
He lost to a faded Kessler coming off a bad loss to Ward. Or do you think Kessler was prime lol.


Super 6 was no where near the hottest division in boxing lol it was just the most hyped.

[Canelo and GGG]

He was undisputed champion there so it's hard to say it was a mistake.

Judah is Judah, talented guy with physical gifts but lacks skills and IQ.

People question his heart, I don't. Judah showed a lot of heart a lot of times. Cotto, Garcia, Matthysse, Tszyu list goes on where he took some hellacious punishment and didn't quit. The Cotto and Garcia fights especially he grit his teeth and fought back when the going was tough.

Judah's issue was he was simply wasn't good enough.

Yea he was but not after spectacural Run, he was easly overpowerd in WW ,he could took a punishment but he couldt focus on the game plan to the end of a fight

[mani1]

I don't see how a division being new and having a short history automatically lowers everyone who fought in it a notch?

Judah's career was not in the same tier as Froch's.

What makes Froch career so much greater after the super 6 he was at best tge 3rd or 4th best fighter in the division behind a faded Kessler whom he lost too. Dirrell whom he got a disgracefull gift against and Ward whom he lost every round too and judging by many hyping Froch's win over Bute he was also behind Bute.
Just because Kessler pulled out with an injury after beating Froch doesnt make Froch better.

What makes 168 division weak is the fact that the Killers such as Bute, Dirrell, Kessler, Abraham etc are and were never very great figgters Kessler was the best of the bunch and he proved it by beating Froch whilst past prime with an eye injury just because Froch went on to barely beat him years later when he way past his prime doesnt change the fact Kessler was a better figgter than him and he wasnt a great fighter either.
Ward is a very good figgter he easily beat Froch i had him winning every round.