Why is it when people mention GGG moving up Hagler is brought up?

[b00g13man]

Brook did it to himself ,and the opening was only there because Eubank backed out.Michael Nunn did it to a guy two divisions smaller and 7 inches shorter on Starling.Its not some terrible sin.

So it's not some terrible sin, huh? Why shouldn't he challenge himself and do it then?

[IronDanHamza]

Hopkins also started at light heavyweight. Just like Ward fought at 178lb in the amateurs.

Is it really moving up when you are just going back to where you started at?

Is it really moving up and challenging yourself when you are just moving up as your body fills out?

I think the only fighters in recent times who legitimately moved up would be Pacquiao, Marquez, Chocolatito, and Calderon, perhaps Vic Darchinyan as well.

These are guys that had to work to keep the weight on, who would walk around at a lighter weight if they weren't actively working to keep extra size on.

Does anyone think Broner draining himself to make 130 the moving up to 147 was him moving up, instead of him finally not being able to drain himself that much anymore?

Same with Floyd. The only time he really moved up was for Canelo/Oscar, 1 of which he had a catch weight.

I mean if he was really moving up in weight, would have have missed the catch weight vs Marquez if he was naturally a smaller guy?

No... Floyd grew into a WW. Andre Ward was a Light heavy who boiled himself down to 168 for most of his career.

Lomachenko started a weight class bellow where he won his last medal, then moved back up to where he had been fighting at.

Floyd grew into a Welterweight but Pacquaio didn't?

[The plunger man]

leonard also demanded a catchweight in the lalonde fight......

Leonard was also a 147ib fighter goiing up to 168...whichever ever way u try and spin it for hagler.
Hagler was 160lb naturally and Leonard was 147 and trying to give hagler a pass and not giving golovkin the same pass is wrong , Hagler camped out at middleweight the same way Hagler did , no difference what so ever fella

[LetOutTheCage]

Yeah. Some fighters have ducked him, but he and his team have gone out of their way to fight decent fights. Coulda, woulda, shoulda. Story of his life.

Lol @ more knowing who Brook is. An Olympic gold medalist vs a can crusher. It's not a contest.

Some fighters? you mean all the top fighters in his weight division. He has consistently pushed to fight the best fighters as MW, why arent you critical to all the fighters who are ducking him?

Luke Campbell is also an Olympic gold medalist, do you think he's a bigger name than Brook as well?

[LetOutTheCage]

So it's not some terrible sin, huh? Why shouldn't he challenge himself and do it then?

So you honestly think it's sensible for him to jump straight up to 175 (with no tune-up fights to adjust to the weight) and fight the winner of Ward vs Kovalev straight away?

[bluepete]

So it's not some terrible sin, huh? Why shouldn't he challenge himself and do it then?

Why should he? Did Nunn fight Starling and then say I'm gonna fight Virgil Hill or Prince Charles Williams.Did Canelo fight Khan and then challenge Degale? Stop with your bogus double standards.

[!! Shawn]

Floyd grew into a Welterweight but Pacquaio didn't?

Pacquio clearly was done filling out at 140 maybe even 135. But he went all the way up to 154.

Its pretty well documented that they had to work to keep the weight on.

I don't think its documented that Floyd had to work to keep on the weight to stay at WW.

[soul_survivor]

That was because they were fighting for 2 title in 2 different divisions..168 and 175..Leonard won the first real title at 168

why didnt you reply to my post, in which I educated you on the history of the super middleweight division?

In what world was Leonards title the "first real title", when the WBA and IBF both had champions in the division and there was a lineal champion with multiple title defences.

If I'm correct, the SRL v Lalonde fight was for the newly minted WBC title.

Stop ducking larry

[soul_survivor]

Pacquio clearly was done filling out at 140 maybe even 135. But he went all the way up to 154.

Its pretty well documented that they had to work to keep the weight on.

I don't think its documented that Floyd had to work to keep on the weight to stay at WW.

Pacquiao could easily fit in a full breakfast and a meal on the day of the weigh in.

I'm not gonna say Mayweather was a big welter but by modern standards, he was pretty much the perfect size and build for it.

[b00g13man]

Some fighters? you mean all the top fighters in his weight division. He has consistently pushed to fight the best fighters as MW, why arent you critical to all the fighters who are ducking him?

I am. However, none of them are ranked "top 3 p4p"

Luke Campbell is also an Olympic gold medalist, do you think he's a bigger name than Brook as well?

Don't pretend it's the same. DeGale is a brash loud mouth. Big difference.

So you honestly think it's sensible for him to jump straight up to 175 (with no tune-up fights to adjust to the weight) and fight the winner of Ward vs Kovalev straight away?

He was fine with Brook not getting a tune up at 160. Also, he's a p4p fighter, so those sorts of feats aren't out of place.