Comments Thread For: Golovkin's Coach: How is Canelo 160 Champ at De La Hoya's Ring?

[KnickTillDeaTh]

Here are the seven situations in which a champion can lose his belt:

The Champion loses a fight in the weight class in which he is champion.
The Champion moves to another weight class.
The Champion does not schedule a fight in any weight class for 18 months.
The Champion does not schedule a fight at his championship weight for 18 months (even if he fights at another weight).
The Champion does not schedule a fight with a Top-5 contender from any weight class for two years.
The Champion retires.
The Champion tests positive for a banned substance.

There you go, Canelo just fought Smith who is ranked at Jr. Middle weight, so basically he doesnt have to fight a ranked fighter for 2 years. And as long as he fights a Middleweight by November of 2017, he will remain the Ring Middleweight lineal champion.

[buddyguns]

After reading this, I'm only left wondering how Abel Sanchez has never heard of Homicide Hank.

[Jewish-Reptile]

To be clear I could care less about any of these belts. There are so many of them anyway. my point is this is not unusual GGG fans crying about it because they want it to be handed to them like every other paper and vacant belt he received OUTSIDE the ring. This is fake outcry and agenda driven. Over the Ring Belt really? Most of GGG fans clearly don't even know what lineal status is saying it should be stripped? When that's the entire point of lineal it can't simply be stripped and awarded to you lol

I'm neither a GGG fan boy or some hate blinded fool not wanting to see GGG unify. I am however tired of these mismatches and if Jacobs and Flounders face GGG next and it means GGG can then move up to begin to clear out 168 as he has 160 then I'll be happier. Golovkin is clearly too good to be involved in competitive action south of 168.

This isn't an Andre Ward thing either, moving up to 168 does not include facing Ward who I don't believe can make 168 now anyway, not competitively anyway.

Canelo is not the lineal champion, he may be ring but he is not lineal that came and went, he opted to flick, suck and duck.

[Jewish-Reptile]

Here are the seven situations in which a champion can lose his belt:

The Champion loses a fight in the weight class in which he is champion.
The Champion moves to another weight class.
The Champion does not schedule a fight in any weight class for 18 months.
The Champion does not schedule a fight at his championship weight for 18 months (even if he fights at another weight).
The Champion does not schedule a fight with a Top-5 contender from any weight class for two years.
The Champion retires.
The Champion tests positive for a banned substance.

There you go, Canelo just fought Smith who is ranked at Jr. Middle weight, so basically he doesnt have to fight a ranked fighter for 2 years. And as long as he fights a Middleweight by November of 2017, he will remain the Ring Middleweight lineal champion.

Champion moves to another weight class ! You must have missed that one right, have you a selective reading issue ? I haven't to expect a reply have I !

[Progrssive_Jedi]

Plus Canelo just got 1# resting at Ring JRMW, pushing Lara Down

It's ****** he has the mw title when he's never fought a new.

But now he's the top JRMW ranked 1#.

They want to duck GGG by saying he's not a MW.

They want to duck Andrade by saying he's not a JRMW.

How anyone can stick up for this Ginger headed Freud is beyond me, but we see mr. Diminishing ppv sales is seeing real damage to his brand.

De la Hoya is writing the book on how to destroy a superstar.

[Progrssive_Jedi]

Ring Mag Title and Lineal is not the same thing people

I'm neither a GGG fan boy or some hate blinded fool not wanting to see GGG unify. I am however tired of these mismatches and if Jacobs and Flounders face GGG next and it means GGG can then move up to begin to clear out 168 as he has 160 then I'll be happier. Golovkin is clearly too good to be involved in competitive action south of 168.

This isn't an Andre Ward thing either, moving up to 168 does not include facing Ward who I don't believe can make 168 now anyway, not competitively anyway.

Canelo is not the lineal champion, he may be ring but he is not lineal that came and went, he opted to flick, suck and duck.

Canelo is still the lineal MW champ. You can't lose that except in the ring.

Canelo still owns two MW championship designations.

And now he's number 1# JRMW for ring too.

[Jewish-Reptile]

Canelo is still the lineal MW champ. You can't lose that except in the ring.

Canelo still owns two MW championship designations.

And now he's number 1# JRMW for ring too.

He moved to another divison.

[Redd Foxx]

and if Jacobs and Flounders face GGG next

Lol, you had me rolling with "Fists of Fluff" but "Founders"!..... .....

[Progrssive_Jedi]

The Difference between Lineal and Ring Mag titles for those confused

There is the Ring Mag belt, which is atrached to the famed Ring mag -- which has lost some luster since its owned by a boxing promoter.

Ring was the premier media source of boxing back in day, but when De La Hoya bought it he fired everyone. It's lost its luster because it's owned by a boxing promoter, play GOLDENBOY Fights, and people wonder about bias in ranking.

While often attached to the lineal because of how its awarded, it's not actually the same thing. Ring just tried to follow the lineal method. Then there is the lineal title, and it's fictional and can't be lost unless by defeat. It can be vacated, but it's a clear vacated by changing divisions and no longer campaigning.

Example, Ward was SMW lineal until he moved up to LHW. He didn't lose it when Ring Mag stripped him of the SMW title. http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/supermid.htm

This concept of a lineal champion was developed by boxing fans dissatisfied by all these titles, and them getting stripped without losing it.

Here is the Lineage of this title MW. The man who beat the man.

The Lineal Middleweight Boxing Champs

This list gives credit to The Man Who Beat The Man. Ludicrous decisions of sanctioning bodies are ignored. The middleweight division originally had a weight limit of 154 pounds; Bob Fitzsimmons raised that to 158, and the limit is now 160. Write us with any comments. The Editors. Ciao!

"Nonpareil" Jack Dempsey (1884-1891)
Bob Fitzsimmons (1891, Fitz vacated the title 1895)
Tommy Ryan (1898-1906, vacated title)
Stanley Ketchel (1907-1908)
Billy Papke (1908)

Stanley Ketchel (1908, Ketchel was shot and killed, October 15, 1910)
After Ketchel was murdered, the title was "re-claimed" by Billy Papke. Papke lost to "Cyclone" Johnny Thompson, but the title was also claimed by Hugo Kelly, Frank Klaus, and Eddie McGoorty. Klaus beat Georges Carpentier and Papke to re-establish the lineage.

Frank Klaus(1913)
George Chip (1913-1914)
Al McCoy (1914-1917)
Mike O'Dowd (1917-1920)
Johnny Wilson (1920-1923)
Harry Greb (1923-1926)
Tiger Flowers (1926)

Mickey Walker (1926-1931, vacated title to campaign as heavyweight)
1931-1941: Title claimants during this era included William "Gorilla" Jones, Marcel Thil, Ben Jeby, Lou Brouillard, Vince Dundee, Teddy Yarosz, Eddie "Babe" Risko, Freddie Steele, Fred Apostoli, Al Hostak, "Solly" Krieger, "Ceferino" Garcia, Ken Overlin, Tony Zale and Billy Soose! Whew!

Tony Zale (1941-1947)
Rocky Graziano1947-1948)
Tony Zale (1948)
Marcel Cerdan (1948-1949)
Jake LaMotta (1949-1951)
"Sugar" Ray Robinson (1951)
Randy Turpin (1951)
"Sugar" Ray Robinson (1951-1952)
Carl "Bobo" Olson (1952-1955)
"Sugar" Ray Robinson (1955-1957)
Gene Fullmer (1957)
"Sugar" Ray Robinson (1957)
Carmen Basilio (1957-1958)
"Sugar" Ray Robinson (1958-1960)
Paul Pender (1960-1961)
Terry Downes (1961-1962)
Paul Pender (1962-1963, Retired)
**** Tiger (1963)
Joey Giardello (1963-1965)
**** Tiger (1965-1966)
Emile Griffith(1966-1967)
Nino Benvenuti (1967)
Emile Griffith (1967)
Nino Benvenuti (1968-1970)
Carlos Monzon (1970-1977, Retired)
Rodrigo Valdez (1977-1978)
Hugo Corro (1978-1979)
Vito Antuofermo (1979-1980)
Alan Minter (1980)
Marvin Hagler (1980-1987)
"Sugar" Ray Leonard (1987, Vacated)
Michael Nunn (1989-1991)
James Toney (1991-1993, Vacated)
Bernard Hopkins (2001- 2005)
Jermain Taylor (2005-2007)
Kelly Pavlik (2007-2010)
Sergio Martinez (2010-2014)
Miguel Angel Cotto (2014-2015)
Saul Alvarez (2015-Present)

[Progrssive_Jedi]

He moved to another divison.

See my above post.

Ring mag has a title (ring is owned by Goldenboy and they havnt stripped Canelo of MW title. They also made Canelo the 1# JRMW).

The lineal is the man who beat the man. It has no belt, it's fictional. It can't be stripped at all. It only gets passed through a loss of a retirement. In that case a tournament of sorts is held to establish a new linage. It can be vacated, but voluntarily or a clear move, not just one fight.