Rafael - What Has Happened to PBC?

[soul_survivor]

What happened in simple: with all the bullocks Haydon fed audiences last year and the sheer lack of viewers or creation of stars, channels have run out of confidence to use up more dates.

[Sweet Jones]

No. Haymon had $434 million to burn and the others didn't. Give the same huge amount to Arum or Oscar, plus PBC fighters and both would have made more quality fights than Haymon. $434 million in one year is not what you call "dried up."

Methinks your anger is very much misguided here.

Perhaps you should take a step back and ask yourself why no investor has ever given that type of war chest nor has any network committed that amount of TV time to any plan those two nor any other entity in boxing has ever attempted.

Instead of sitting around waiting to mindlessly suck off the annual HBO/SHO boxing budget announcement teat, Haymon went out and found someone willing to put up REAL money and networks to commit PRIMETIME slots to this sport.

[MrRolltide91]

Welp......

[Motofan]

Just because it's coming. You can't discuss anything on these boards objectively anymore.

[-Antonio-]

haymon has more champions than ever. haymon has more power than ever.

arum has less power than ever.

de la hoya has one fighter.


rafael is a simple minded guy looking at things in the most simplistic way possible.

look at the big picture and you see that haymon is in a better position than ever to eventually monopolize US boxing.

How is he going to do that when they are already cutting costs? The purses are smaller and they are already spending less on the production

[bchap05]

Will be interesting to see what happens. But something big has to change. Not like all these fighters will just stop fighting. If PBC can't do shows then they will figure something else out, but might take a bit to sort out

[Chrismart]

Back when PBC first started and people were saying that Haymon was going to be boxing's Dana White, myself and quite a few others pointed out that the UFC model wouldn't work in boxing, because, unlike MMA before Dana White, boxing is awash with money.

If Al had taken the same, "company first, fighter second" approach as Dana, there would be no incentive for anybody to sign with him, especially not big name fighters.

Yeah mate, i remember people raising questions, and anyone who raised any questions about the set-up was immediatley shot down with being a Haymon hater.

[Mr.Fantastic]

Hell what happened to boxing period is the better question.....

You've been following boxing. You know why boxing is going the way it is. Boxers, promoters, networks, and the fans are to blame for this shit.


Boxers - wanting lots of money for easy fights. Much more for fights with risks.

Promoters - Same deal with milking.

Networks - being idiots and paying for the fights when they knew were shit.

Fans - for praising easy fights just cause they like a boxer.

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

Fans - for praising easy fights just cause they like a boxer and tuning in thus giving ratings a boost

Added some more to that.

[original zero]

How is he going to do that when they are already cutting costs? The purses are smaller and they are already spending less on the production

But smaller purses and smaller production budgets doesn't change a single thing I said. He still has more champions and more power than ever.

Arum still has less power than ever.

And Oscar has one fighter.

HBO's budget has been cut so much that it's basically the same as Showtime. Haymon controls basically the entire Showtime budget.

Arum, Oscar, Roc Nation, K2 and others all have to split the HBO budget.

So Haymon is the biggest player and that is clearer than it's ever been.