Why can't Haymon...

Collapse
Collapse
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • al-Xander
    Undisputed Champion
    Super Champion - 5,000-10,000 posts
    • Oct 2010
    • 7412
    • 369
    • 122
    • 13,790

    #41
    Originally posted by glenn mcrory
    Doing something spectacular would require having the best fighters and he clearly doesnt have any of those.
    So...
    Nope, the vision he wants aint ever coming to a reality.

    Its the second one.
    Though, he doesnt really have a choice there. Practically every time one of his fighters steps up to fight a decent opponent from an opposing promoters stable, it ends with Haymon with his pants down.
    He needs to keep some hope alive for the people believing his sorry fighters are going anywhere.
    Yeah, it would seem fans are waiting for nothing. Schaefer handed all the GBP fighters over to him and most of them are now inactive.

    Comment

    • soul_survivor
      LOL @ Ali-Holmes
      Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
      • Jun 2013
      • 18949
      • 623
      • 473
      • 65,236

      #42
      Originally posted by just the facts
      You mean like when King controlled Larry Holmes and the various WBA champs for damn near 10 years with no unification? Face it the only time unification happens is when maximum money is involved and both parties believe they will/can win.
      The title was unified in the late 80s and multiple times throughout the 90s, what's your point?

      Comment

      • soul_survivor
        LOL @ Ali-Holmes
        Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
        • Jun 2013
        • 18949
        • 623
        • 473
        • 65,236

        #43
        Originally posted by Tom Cruise
        Well argued.
        Man I'm just messing but like I said, you have to be crazy or ****** to not realise Haymon hast hat control. Fighters thank Haymon before they thank God.

        He is purposefully not unifying the belts because he doesn't know how to run a boxing stable.

        Comment

        • The Big Dunn
          Undisputed Champion
          Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
          • Sep 2009
          • 70092
          • 9,867
          • 8,167
          • 287,568

          #44
          Originally posted by soul_survivor
          Man I'm just messing but like I said, you have to be crazy or ****** to not realise Haymon hast hat control. Fighters thank Haymon before they thank God.

          He is purposefully not unifying the belts because he doesn't know how to run a boxing stable.
          I think its a combination of them de-emphasizing belts (as they stated when the show premiered) but more waiting to see if they get new deals to stage some of these fight, which IMO is a mistake.

          They need to make the charlo/J rock fight and pair it with Garcia/Thurman (Berto or Broner assuming Thurman isn't healthy yet) or Spence/Brook (or IBF mandated opponent if Brook vacates as expected), especially now that Deontay is done for the rest of the year.

          Comment

          • just the facts
            Undisputed Champion
            Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
            • Jan 2014
            • 13791
            • 2,437
            • 1,021
            • 88,113

            #45
            Originally posted by soul_survivor
            The title was unified in the late 80s and multiple times throughout the 90s, what's your point?
            My point is that before you you use King and Arum to take a stab at Haymon for not setting up unification bouts, you need to remember that from June of 1978 (Holmes won WBC title vs Norton) until March of 1987 (Tyson unified vs Smith), Don King controlled both the WBC and WBA titles (the only credible titles back then) and didn't unify them.

            Comment

            • Eff Pandas
              Banned
              Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
              • Apr 2012
              • 52129
              • 3,624
              • 2,147
              • 1,635,919

              #46
              Originally posted by The Big Dunn
              I think its a combination of them de-emphasizing belts (as they stated when the show premiered) but more waiting to see if they get new deals to stage some of these fight, which IMO is a mistake.
              Yea thats probably a solid estimation. You do gotta save some fights when you do get that $75M TV deal or whatever.

              Why do you feel that'd be a mistake?

              Comment

              • Tom Cruise
                Co.cktail
                Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
                • Dec 2007
                • 11442
                • 539
                • 474
                • 39,887

                #47
                Originally posted by soul_survivor
                Man I'm just messing but like I said, you have to be crazy or ****** to not realise Haymon hast hat control. Fighters thank Haymon before they thank God.

                He is purposefully not unifying the belts because he doesn't know how to run a boxing stable.
                Well yeah I'd be thanking Haymon too if I'd just got paid a million plus dollars to fight the likes of Salka.

                I just dont think its a case of Haymon saying jump and his fighters saying how high. They clearly have a good amount of say in who they fight and the path their careers take.

                Comment

                • soul_survivor
                  LOL @ Ali-Holmes
                  Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
                  • Jun 2013
                  • 18949
                  • 623
                  • 473
                  • 65,236

                  #48
                  Originally posted by Tom Cruise
                  Well yeah I'd be thanking Haymon too if I'd just got paid a million plus dollars to fight the likes of Salka.

                  I just dont think its a case of Haymon saying jump and his fighters saying how high. They clearly have a good amount of say in who they fight and the path their careers take.
                  thats utter bs, seriously man. No fighter is THAT in control unless they cut themselves from everyone else, like mayweather and...well only Mayweather and maybe a latter stage Oscar. If Haymon wanted to make Garcia v Thurman, it'd get made yesterday. Thing is, Haymon lacks the will, the eye for the sport and any understanding on how to build a boxing star (fighters have regressed under him).

                  Comment

                  • Jsmooth9876
                    Undisputed Champion
                    Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
                    • Jan 2014
                    • 12209
                    • 2,297
                    • 365
                    • 72,745

                    #49
                    They'd all just rather fight " 2 Quillens" instead

                    Comment

                    • Humean
                      Infidel
                      Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
                      • Jul 2013
                      • 3054
                      • 126
                      • 110
                      • 10,285

                      #50
                      I think Haymon's fighters still usually have their own managers who obviously have their own ideas about what fights they want. Perhaps that explains the highly erratic and disappointing match-ups.

                      Comment

                      Working...
                      TOP