Why can't Haymon...

[Eff Pandas]

That's a load of bollocks and you know it. If they want to bring in new viewers, they have to put on the best fights and make champions in divisions, not title holders that get new fans asking, "Huh, so if he's champ AND he's champ...who's the champ?"

LOL that doesn't make f#cking sense. The confusion is already going on outside of the PBC world. And I believe its a large part of why some sportsfans don't follow boxing today. Haymon can't change all that bs cuz the alphabet groups got the power they got & they will do with it as they may until something gets altered if it gets altered at all. If anyone in the sport fights all the champions against each other to get one champion the alphabet groups will just find ways to strip the fighters or they have to be a slave to bs fights forced upon fighters like Wade was forced on GGG or Bizier was forced on Brook & so many other fights for the longer reigning guys like Klitschko.

And what value does Thurman vs Spence or whatever fight you wanna see right now have if you can gain ground with sportsfans over the next year with those guys winning fights & then in the fall of 2017 match them up when those sportsfans have gotten to know those guys more? I mean for me & you they could make Thurman vs Spence mean something tomorrow cuz we know who those guys are. But the audience PBC wants & needs don't know those guys or don't know those guys as well as they can. And you can make examples with all sorts of fights that PBC could make. And the thing too is PBC is making many of these fights people like you & I wanna see, they just aren't making ALL of these fights people like you & I wanna see.

I don't think some of you guys are thinking about this sorta thing in a real way. The reality is HBO & Showtime to a lesser degree have made boxing a niche sport that only people with premium cable & PPV can enjoy. PBC is trying to build a whole new age of boxing fans & those fan got very basic knowledge of the sport & of the boxers themselves. This is some long game ****. Its been openly discussed this is some long game ****, but yet some cats think PBC should be like the NFL of boxing since last summer or will be outta business any day now if not shoulda been outta business already. Thats a simplistic way of looking at a complicated & layered plan that can still succeed or fail with their intentions or they could fail & pivot their plan (& they may have already done that if they did piss away all this money they are being accused of pissing away) to a different one.

PBC has further muddied the waters because it takes them far too long to get their top fighters to fight each other.

Hopefully that changes in the next 12 months or so.

PBC failing or succeeding has little to do with the fights guys like you & I wanting to see happening in the next 12 months. Hardcore boxing fans are in the minority of the guys PBC is going to need to get watching their shows if they are to be successful. And again I think PBC has been a part of a lot of big fights in the sport. I mean HBO is basically not putting any good fights on HBO anymore. Everything halfway decent is a PPV so idek who's giving PBC much competition in making big fights that you don't gotta pay $54.99+ for.

[al-Xander]

Does Haymon have any end game at all like something spectacular? Or PBC is just about showcasing his top fighters fighting low level opponents?

[glenn mcrory]

Does Haymon have any end game at all like something spectacular? Or PBC is just about showcasing his top fighters fighting low level opponents?

Doing something spectacular would require having the best fighters and he clearly doesnt have any of those.
So...
Nope, the vision he wants aint ever coming to a reality.

Its the second one.
Though, he doesnt really have a choice there. Practically every time one of his fighters steps up to fight a decent opponent from an opposing promoters stable, it ends with Haymon with his pants down.
He needs to keep some hope alive for the people believing his sorry fighters are going anywhere.

[Tom Cruise]

Haymon doesnt have the control over his fighters that people think he does. He is still in the 'come to me I'm the best manager in the world ill make you rich like Floyd Mayweather' stage of his plan.

Pretty soon he needs to switch to the Don King 'I own you and you are gonna fight who i say when i say' stage, otherwise his business is just not going to be viable. The way HBO is going, there could be a turning point really soon.

I think his plan is working to an extent, but maybe slower than he or others predicted. Its a war of attrition and I think HBO is showing more outward signs of flagging, but then we really dont know the state of PBC's finances.

Back on thread. If he 'wins' the cold war, he starts making the big fights regularly imo. Until then he is playing it safe making sure not to upset or pressure his big name fighters

[soul_survivor]

Haymon doesnt have the control over his fighters that people think he does. He is still in the 'come to me I'm the best manager in the world ill make you rich like Floyd Mayweather' stage of his plan.

Pretty soon he needs to switch to the Don King 'I own you and you are gonna fight who i say when i say' stage, otherwise his business is just not going to be viable. The way HBO is going, there could be a turning point really soon.

I think his plan is working to an extent, but maybe slower than he or others predicted. Its a war of attrition and I think HBO is showing more outward signs of flagging, but then we really dont know the state of PBC's finances.

Back on thread. If he 'wins' the cold war, he starts making the big fights regularly imo. Until then he is playing it safe making sure not to upset or pressure his big name fighters

Ofc Haymon has that level of control, are you new to boxing or something? Haymon had that level of control long before he even started PBC or when Showtime exclusive.

And there's no such thing as a "cold war", it's all down to the will and intelligence of the fighter. Khan for example was signed to Haymon in the build up to the Canelo fight, probably still is but he was smart enough to not have an exclusive deal, i.e. he can fight on which ever network he chooses. There are a few other fighters like that too, however, they lack the will to fight anyone of note.

[Tom Cruise]

Ofc Haymon has that level of control, are you new to boxing or something? Haymon had that level of control long before he even started PBC or when Showtime exclusive.

And there's no such thing as a "cold war", it's all down to the will and intelligence of the fighter. Khan for example was signed to Haymon in the build up to the Canelo fight, probably still is but he was smart enough to not have an exclusive deal, i.e. he can fight on which ever network he chooses. There are a few other fighters like that too, however, they lack the will to fight anyone of note.

Haymon doesnt have the control over who fights who that people assume. Thats why fights take so long to make or dont happen. Look at how often fighters demand more money to take challenges or just flat out dont bother fighting the best fighters. You think Haymon wants that? Its terrible for his business and bad publicity

But right now he doesnt want to upset his big names or make them consider jumping back to HBO.

The cold war is between HBO block and Haymon block. Are you new to boxing? Because this has been going on for nearly a decade if you include the GBP vs Top Rank saga.

[soul_survivor]

Haymon doesnt have the control over who fights who that people assume. Thats why fights take so long to make or dont happen. Look at how often fighters demand more money to take challenges or just flat out dont bother fighting the best fighters. You think Haymon wants that? Its terrible for his business and bad publicity

But right now he doesnt want to upset his big names or make them consider jumping back to HBO.

The cold war is between HBO block and Haymon block. Are you new to boxing? Because this has been going on for nearly a decade if you include the GBP vs Top Rank saga.

you're assessment is a joke, please refrain from commenting further on this thread

[Tom Cruise]

you're assessment is a joke, please refrain from commenting further on this thread

Well argued.

[just the facts]

unify most of welterweight and light middle? When guys like King and Arum ran the welters and heavies throughout the 80s, 90s and early 00s, with the help of HBO, managed to unify those divisions on multiple occasions.

So why can't Haymon, possibly the most well financed boxing manager in history do the same? Considering the majority of the top guys in both divisions are signed to him. It took almost 2 years to make Thurman v Porter, Garcia has fought scrubs, Andrade, the Charlos et al are avoiding each other like the plague.

What's going on?

You mean like when King controlled Larry Holmes and the various WBA champs for damn near 10 years with no unification? Face it the only time unification happens is when maximum money is involved and both parties believe they will/can win.

[Eff Pandas]

Haymon doesnt have the control over who fights who that people assume. Thats why fights take so long to make or dont happen. Look at how often fighters demand more money to take challenges or just flat out dont bother fighting the best fighters. You think Haymon wants that? Its terrible for his business and bad publicity

Agree 100%.

As a manager & a guy who's heading PBC he's got a thin line he's walking with the Ali Act. Some people think he's ****** & stepping all over it already. I tend to believe he's highly aware of the potential problems with violating the Ali Act & is acting accordingly.

And thats why from all accounts I've heard from 5 or 6 fighters &/or trainers is that Haymon consults with them about guys they feel they can beat & guys they wanna fight & from there talks move forth with potential opponents & making fights for that guy.

So basically for example to get Garcia vs Thurman happening you need both Garcia & Thurman having to want to be fully on board with fighting each other. And thats just the start of putting things together. From there Haymon has to find the bigger TV date with NBC or Fox or Showtime to throw that higher profile fight which can stretch things out as well. This isn't anywhere near as simple as people think.