Why can't Haymon...

[Larry the boss]

unify most of welterweight and light middle? When guys like King and Arum ran the welters and heavies throughout the 80s, 90s and early 00s, with the help of HBO, managed to unify those divisions on multiple occasions.

So why can't Haymon, possibly the most well financed boxing manager in history do the same? Considering the majority of the top guys in both divisions are signed to him. It took almost 2 years to make Thurman v Porter, Garcia has fought scrubs, Andrade, the Charlos et al are avoiding each other like the plague.

What's going on?

huh???Mattysee,Guerrero,Mallinaggi,Peterson...scru bs?

[soul_survivor]

huh???Mattysee,Guerrero,Mallinaggi,Peterson...scru bs?

Guerrero was shot by the time Garcia got to him and was never really a top level fighter, the Mayweather fight just gave him relevancy. I will concede Peterson but again, Peterson wasn't Garcia's best opponent but it's the only really worthwhile fight he has had in almost 2 years of PBC.

Matthsyse, Khan, Judah and Harrera (his best opponents) all occurred pre-PBC.

Maybe respond AFTER reading my entire first post.

[Larry the boss]

guerrero was shot by the time garcia got to him and was never really a top level fighter, the mayweather fight just gave him relevancy. I will concede peterson but again, peterson wasn't garcia's best opponent but it's the only really worthwhile fight he has had in almost 2 years of pbc.

Matthsyse, khan, judah and harrera (his best opponents) all occurred pre-pbc.

Maybe respond after reading my entire first post.

you are trying to slam garcia who has probably the best resume of a fighter under 30...

[TripleGFightFan]

I was speaking from the position of volume of fights and associated revenue due to having multiple champs.

But yes, you're spot on.

Unfortunately, common sense and quality of fights is secondary to revenue, greed and control these days.

Well said...

[soul_survivor]

you are trying to slam garcia who has probably the best resume of a fighter under 30...

I'm not slamming him and this thread isn't just about Garcia, it's about a lot of fighters signed to Haymon who haven't been fighting enough or been fighting sub par opposition or both.

Garcias opposition on PBC has been Peterson, Malignaggi and Guerrero. Only one of them may even be considered world class at the time Garcia fought them.

And this is not unique to Garcia.

[soul_survivor]

Well said...

Can't find the post you replied to so just thought I'd reply here:

The revenue aspect just doesn't add up because the best fights always make more money than the crappy fights. Mayweather spent years avoiding certain fighters and claiming he could make the same amount of money fighting scrubs or the guys no one wanted him to fight.

When he eventually fought Pac and Cotto, he made more money than just about every other fight in his career. The fact remains and it has always been the case, quality still sells the most.

The bigger issue is, pay days for fight bum opponents are now higher for someone fighting on TV than at any other point in boxing history, so fighting less risky opponents 2 or 3 times over 2 years = one big, risky fight, so why take the risky option?

[Humean]

You're forgetting one major point, PBC and all the tv dates available are Hyamon's platform. Yes there are people in partnership with him but it's Haymon's show, that was the whole point of him splitting with the established order.

If the a fighter or his promoter (which is non-existent considering most of these guys have exclusive contracts with Haymon with some shill has a promoter) turns a big fight down, they just wont have a TV date to fight on. Haymon can and should make it happen, the fact that he doesn't, in a span of almost 2 years, says he doesn't want to, not that he can't.

The figher won't have a tv date to fight but Haymon won't have a 'name' to put on a show either, Haymon doesn't hold all the cards. Some of the fighters do have more concrete promotional ties with their promoters than others but anyway it is not about the fighters promoters, sham or otherwise, but their managers. I do think Haymon could have made better fights than he has but i'm not sure he could necessarily have made all the best fights from his stable, I think Hyamon's influence varies depending on the fighter.

[Larry the boss]

I'm not slamming him and this thread isn't just about Garcia, it's about a lot of fighters signed to Haymon who haven't been fighting enough or been fighting sub par opposition or both.

Garcias opposition on PBC has been Peterson, Malignaggi and Guerrero. Only one of them may even be considered world class at the time Garcia fought them.

And this is not unique to Garcia.

what promoters and or managers have been putting on great match ups?

[soul_survivor]

The figher won't have a tv date to fight but Haymon won't have a 'name' to put on a show either, Haymon doesn't hold all the cards. Some of the fighters do have more concrete promotional ties with their promoters than others but anyway it is not about the fighters promoters, sham or otherwise, but their managers. I do think Haymon could have made better fights than he has but i'm not sure he could necessarily have made all the best fights from his stable, I think Hyamon's influence varies depending on the fighter.

Who are these managers? Haymon himself has managerial contracts with just about everyone he has on his shows, you just have to look at "stable" here: http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Al_Haymon

Hyamon holds all the cards and everyone who follows the sport knows it. In fact, that was one of his major selling points on this very forum from all the crazed Haymon/Mayweather fans. Now that we all now PBC has largely been a pile of crap we're hearing this new tune "Haymon ain't all that powerful".

I do understand the counter argument that Haymon can't make ALL the fights we want but he should be able to make the majority. Yet he hasn't even done that. Haymon has made a minority of the fights on offer, even though almost all these guys are fighting FOR HIM. That's bad business and bad for business, whichever way you want to cut it.

[soul_survivor]

what promoters and or managers have been putting on great match ups?

In that same time period (around about 2 years of PBC being active), who has had the better fights:

Pacquiao, Bradley, Vargas, Frampton , Lomachenko, Hopkins, Canelo, Kovalev

or

DG, Thurman, Porter, Wilder, Spence, Berto, Guerrero and so on

And which managers/promoters/networks are involved with these sets of fighters?

I went easy on you by not listing a few more Brits and I spaced it out for you so it is easier for you to read.

edit: larryusa anytime now bro