Comments Thread For: Golovkin: No Big Fights at 168, I Make 160 Easy - I'm Not Big 160

[robertzimmerman]

Fact 1 - 4 years ago....GGG quote "I will fight anybody from 154-168"
Fact 2 - Less than half-year GGG quote "I'm not businessman"
Fact 3 - After Wade fight - GGG quote "Kell Brook is too small"
Fact 3 - Less than half-year GGG quote "Canelo vs Khan no respect for boxing"
Fact 4 - A week ago on conference call - GGG quote "Who's @168? Jack? Ramirez? De-Geale? they are not big fights, I want big fights.
Fact 5 - Golovkin has requested anyone who wants to fight him to move up or down to 160, he's critized fighters for doing so but he doesn't feel like he's subjected to the same standard.

Conclusion:
Your boy and his team have put their feet on their mouth, contradicions all over the place year after year, men fans like you just want a man you never met in your life and who doesn't give you a single penny have sucess.

Real Boxing Fans want the biggest fights. IMO Golovkin is not very different than Canelo, both cowards requesting special treatment for them, difference here is that Canelo right now brings big money, and that is a fact too.

You just got OWNED.

#onlythetruth
#fairtreatment

Listing facts without allowing for any circumstances is pointless.

[bigdunny1]

Again, no, nobody forced him to fight Brook. But again, walking from the fight would have been nonsensical when everything was set up. Stop debating on emotion and we can have a good debate. Move up to fight who? Why would he have passed up the Brook fight and given up his long standing HBO date with his camp set up, to try and fight someone else? You are being ridiculous.

Again, how has he dragged a WW up? This is becoming so tiresome. Again, he'd signed a contract for Eubank. Brook was literally a last minute replacement that he accepted to salvage the event/date.

Yes, he could have refused Brook. He didn't literally HAVE to face him. But tell me WHY he would have walked? Give me a logical reason as to why he'd have withdrawn from the PPV? Give me some logical options of who he could have faced instead? Your restaurant analogy is terrible.

He should of turned down Brook because it makes him look like a sell out and a "business man" and we all know GGG ain't that remember? He could of tried to fight ANY of the belt holders at 168 who he somehow is too good for now. Because he's big time didn't you see his PPV numbers against Lemieux. Can't say he can't get no fights when Phuk boy just fought Wade and fought Monroe last year. So these guys are all big enough for GGG to fight but if Eubank backs out there is no other choice but expose himself as a fraud and fight Brook AFTER he just clowned and criticized Canelo fighting Khan for months? This is prime example why you keep your mouth shut about other peoples business. Easy to say Canelo is just a business man early in the year. But looks like a complete joke now that he is fighting a WW and dragging him up more weight for the sake of "business".

[robertzimmerman]

So now you didn't hear the numerous interviews by Canelo saying he would fight him but at his weight? And now you need a contract offer to see that GGG turned this down? How can you draw up contract offers when the phuk boy and his trainer are right here saying NO TO A CATCHWEIGHT. Direct quote "It's the principle of the thing. [Golovkin] won't come down one ounce." - GGG's trainer

Want one from GGG himself? "There is no chance that [I will go to] 155-pounds for a fight Canelo. I am a fighter, I do not come to do business," Golvokin said. I fight at middleweight or super middleweight. I don't come to fight at 156 or 158, that's just business."

"Middleweight is my best weight,” Golovkin said. “Everybody says Canelo’s this great champion. I saw his last fight. Cotto’s not a real middleweight. Great champion, not a middleweight.”

Oh but who cares what those guys say what does his promoter say he is the one pulling the strings right? Want a direct quote from GGG's promoter? Ok

“In our particular instance against Canelo there wouldn’t be any negotiations about the weight,” Loeffler said to skysports.com

Oh but Canelo and his camp never made it clear what the weight would be if they wanted the fight or that he wasn't a middleweight?

“I’m not a middleweight,” Alvarez said via R!ngTV.com. “I’m a super welterweight. That’s my weight class. One thing I’m not going to do; I’m not going to give up any concession or any advantages to GGG,” Canelo said. “I’m in the position where I deserve and I’ve earned my spot. So is the fight going to get made? It’s going to get made. But the conditions have to be right."

“Canelo is not a middleweight," said Eric Gomez, a Golden Boy Promotions executive to The Times. "If Gennady really wants to make the fight, maybe we can talk about some catch-weight where Gennady comes down [in weight] and Canelo goes up, but he’s truly a 154-pounder. If Canelo is giving up weight, Gennady should, too.”


You spending all this time calling Cotto and Canelo middleweights when nobody even the GGG camp is calling them middleweights. And why the F would you need to hear that GGG turned down a contract offer when his entire camp out their own mouths told you they refused to drop weight to make the Canelo fight. I get it when GGG tells you exactly what's going on we shouldn't take them literal (that way you can make up BS excuses when they get caught in lies) but when someone else says something you hold them to their words exactly how they said it? The hold up was the weight and GGG mr 154 or 168 is fraud.

You are deluding yourself yet again.

What is the point of quoting team GBP?

How many more times?

Oscar doesn't want the fight.

Jeez, do I need a piece of paper and a pen.

Canelo weighs in as a LHW, and he's just dropped the belt to fight Liam Smith because Oscar is cashing him out, yet you're still asking ****** questions?

Why?

[bigdunny1]

You are deluding yourself yet again.

What is the point of quoting team GBP?

How many more times?

Oscar doesn't want the fight.

Jeez, do I need a piece of paper and a pen.

Canelo weighs in as a LHW, and he's just dropped the belt to fight Liam Smith because Oscar is cashing him out, yet you're still asking ****** questions?

Why?

Has Canelo EVER fought at 160? Did GGG demand him to move up? But somehow when 168lb fighters demand GGG to move up all that matters is well GGG is comfortable fighting where he is at and has never fought at 168 so you have to wait till he moves up or you have to come down to his weight. YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS! That's why GGG is a phuking clown. If he wanted the fight with Canelo he could of dropped the weight like he said for years he would do.

[kafkod]

So now you didn't hear the numerous interviews by Canelo saying he would fight him but at his weight? And now you need a contract offer to see that GGG turned this down? How can you draw up contract offers when the phuk boy and his trainer are right here saying NO TO A CATCHWEIGHT. Direct quote "It's the principle of the thing. [Golovkin] won't come down one ounce." - GGG's trainer

Want one from GGG himself? "There is no chance that [I will go to] 155-pounds for a fight Canelo. I am a fighter, I do not come to do business," Golvokin said. I fight at middleweight or super middleweight. I don't come to fight at 156 or 158, that's just business."

"Middleweight is my best weight,” Golovkin said. “Everybody says Canelo’s this great champion. I saw his last fight. Cotto’s not a real middleweight. Great champion, not a middleweight.”

Oh but who cares what those guys say what does his promoter say he is the one pulling the strings right? Want a direct quote from GGG's promoter? Ok

“In our particular instance against Canelo there wouldn’t be any negotiations about the weight,” Loeffler said to skysports.com

Oh but Canelo and his camp never made it clear what the weight would be if they wanted the fight or that he wasn't a middleweight?

“I’m not a middleweight,” Alvarez said via R!ngTV.com. “I’m a super welterweight. That’s my weight class. One thing I’m not going to do; I’m not going to give up any concession or any advantages to GGG,” Canelo said. “I’m in the position where I deserve and I’ve earned my spot. So is the fight going to get made? It’s going to get made. But the conditions have to be right."

“Canelo is not a middleweight," said Eric Gomez, a Golden Boy Promotions executive to The Times. "If Gennady really wants to make the fight, maybe we can talk about some catch-weight where Gennady comes down [in weight] and Canelo goes up, but he’s truly a 154-pounder. If Canelo is giving up weight, Gennady should, too.”


You spending all this time calling Cotto and Canelo middleweights when nobody even the GGG camp is calling them middleweights. And why the F would you need to hear that GGG turned down a contract offer when his entire camp out their own mouths told you they refused to drop weight to make the Canelo fight. I get it when GGG tells you exactly what's going on we shouldn't take them literal (that way you can make up BS excuses when they get caught in lies) but when someone else says something you hold them to their words exactly how they said it? The hold up was the weight and GGG mr 154 or 168 is fraud.

Why didn't you quote what Canelo said when asked if he would fight GGG at 160, after he called him up into the ring following the Khan fight?

"Sure .. I will fight him tomorrow ...weight is no problem"

[robertzimmerman]

bigdunny1,

Do you think Canelo fought Cotto because he wanted to fight GGG next or anyone else at 160? Hell no. And even GGG and his team has called both Canelo and Cotto "not real middleweights". Why? Because neither have EVER fought at 160 before. Canelo specifically fought 1 lb over 154. The fight WAS never happening at 160. And it's a joke for GGG to demand that when A. he is the B side to Canelo. B. He has at every step of the way REFUSED to move up in weight himself. C. His resume is dog crap

What the hell are you talking about?

Again, Canelo knew that if he beat Cotto, he was obligated to fight GG afterwards.

If he had no intention of fighting him because he wasn't really a MW, again, all he had to do was to relinquish the belt. But he didn't do that did he. No. Instead of relinquishing the belt, they asked for a voluntary against Khan first, giving everyone the impression that they were going to fight GG afterwards. Then what we heard was that the WBC's deadlines (what they'd known about for months) were suddenly unreasonable. Then it was that they were dropping the belt to make negotiations easier. Then the next thing we knew, they hadn't had any negotiations and they'd instead gone straight to Liam Smith. Pathetic. If the fight was never happening at 160, why did they want a voluntary against Khan, and why did Canelo invite GG into the ring afterwards and say that he'd put the gloves back on then and there? What you've said above doesn't line up with Canelo's actions.

If he wanted the fight NOW he needed to drop weight which he himself said for years he would. If he only wanted it at 160 then you have to wait for Canelo to move up

No. He could never have fought him now. You're kidding yourself.

If he just flat out doesn't want to ever leave 160 I would have no problem with that but the Phuk boy has been running his trap trying to get shine off other fighters names. Name dropping fighters who DON'T fight at 160 for 4 years now. Saying Shyt like I'll go to 154 or 168. Having his joke trainer to this day still saying GGG will KO anyone at 168. Ok then prove it. But when these guys come calling he says well it has to be at a catchweight of 164 or you have to wait until I'm ready to move up. When you play that game you look like a beyatch crying when smaller fighters who have NEVER fought at 160 tell you come down in weight or wait till I move up. If he only wants to fight at 160 then keep fighters above and below 160 out his mouth. Otherwise do what you said you would do and move out 160 to get better fights. He's nobody to be making these demands that everyone come to him.

We've already covered the above.

I'm certain he will eventually move up to SMW.

[Eastcoast]

Was there a Super Middleweight division to move up to?????

Yeah there was a SMW division during Hagler's time -

The current super middleweight division traces its beginning to 1984, when Murray Sutherland defeated Ernie Singletary for the International Boxing Federation version of the title. The World Boxing Association created its version of the super middleweight title when reigning Lineal champion Chong Pal Park defeated Jesus Gallardo in 1987 (Park had been IBF champion before relinquishing the title to fight for the inaugural WBA version).

Hagler must be a pussy in your book because he didn't move up to fight at 168, regardless if it was a weak division with no money fights.


It's kind of funny you insist there needed to be a SMW division for Hagler & Monzon. Robison and Greb both moved up to LHW w/o a SMW division and moved back down. Hopkins didn't use SMW to move up to fight LHW champ - Tarver. Your argument that there needed to be a SMW division is - meh.



Meantime Golovkin's made offers to fight at SMW numerous times.

November 2012 - Golovkin offers Edwin Rodriguez & Thomas Oosthuizen.
La Bomba was undefeated and turned down $500k, twice his highest payday at that point. Oosthuizen asked for more money than was available.
http://www.telegram.com/article/2012...MN36/111049763

May 2014 - In addition to negotiating with Chavez Jr for a fight at 168, Loeffler was also negotiating with Kessler for a fight at 168. But Kessler was asking for $4million.
http://dailytwocents.com/gennady-gol...-in-the-works/
http://www.boxingscene.com/golovkins...r-clash--77672

May 2015 - Golovkin & Froch negotiate. Froch retires.
http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/i...mbley-showdown

February 2016 - Golovnkin's manager approaches WBA 168lb champ - Fedor Chudinov. Chudinov says he's not ready for Golovkin.
http://www.boxingscene.com/chudinov-...-fight--101335

[MDPopescu]

Yeah there was a SMW division during Hagler's time -



Hagler must be a pussy in your book because he didn't move up to fight at 168, regardless if it was a weak division with no money fights.


It's kind of funny you insist there needed to be a SMW division for Hagler & Monzon. Robison and Greb both moved up to LHW w/o a SMW division and moved back down. Hopkins didn't use SMW to move up to fight LHW champ - Tarver. Your argument that there needed to be a SMW division is - meh.



Meantime Golovkin's made offers to fight at SMW numerous times.

November 2012 - Golovkin offers Edwin Rodriguez & Thomas Oosthuizen.
La Bomba was undefeated and turned down $500k, twice his highest payday at that point. Oosthuizen asked for more money than was available.
http://www.telegram.com/article/2012...MN36/111049763

May 2014 - In addition to negotiating with Chavez Jr for a fight at 168, Loeffler was also negotiating with Kessler for a fight at 168. But Kessler was asking for $4million.
http://dailytwocents.com/gennady-gol...-in-the-works/
http://www.boxingscene.com/golovkins...r-clash--77672

May 2015 - Golovkin & Froch negotiate. Froch retires.
http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/i...mbley-showdown

February 2016 - Golovnkin's manager approaches WBA 168lb champ - Fedor Chudinov. Chudinov says he's not ready for Golovkin.
http://www.boxingscene.com/chudinov-...-fight--101335

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[SUBZER0ED]

When has Canelo fought at 160? Oh never so then yes he is trying to force him to move up. Fighting a catchweight 1 pound over 154. And both gave up the belts because they are not middleweights. So why is GGG is trying to fight him still? Why was he trying to fight Floyd last year and Manny? Why is he fighting Brook? Hint neither of these guys have a belt at 160 or have EVER fought a fight at 160. You know damn well it's not because a belt. The prize is getting a big name fight. Isn't that why this clown just said he won't go up to 168? If it's about a belt go to 168 and grab one instead of dragging Brook up 2 weight classes. Ain't no bigger name fight then Canelo so why won't he move down to make the fight? GGG is a walking contradiction, a liar and coward. Sorry you have to make excuses for his lame @ss.

Hey, both Canelo & Cotto had MW belts & they're both big names. The big names get the belts because they are champion fighters. Of course Golovkin wants the big names. That's where the recognition & big money is. I'm sorry you don't seem to get that Canelo is a big mofo who fights little mofos to make himself look like a beast. Golovkin would be unwise to lose weight to fight a man who is naturally bigger than him. You guys clown Golovkin for not moving up to fight bigger guys, yet defend Canelo & Cotto for ducking him, because "they are not MWs" (Canelo's natural size/weight advantage notwithstanding). See the double standard here?

[bigdunny1]

bigdunny1,



What the hell are you talking about?

Again, Canelo knew that if he beat Cotto, he was obligated to fight GG afterwards.

If he had no intention of fighting him because he wasn't really a MW, again, all he had to do was to relinquish the belt. But he didn't do that did he. No. Instead of relinquishing the belt, they asked for a voluntary against Khan first, giving everyone the impression that they were going to fight GG afterwards. Then what we heard was that the WBC's deadlines (what they'd known about for months) were suddenly unreasonable. Then it was that they were dropping the belt to make negotiations easier. Then the next thing we knew, they hadn't had any negotiations and they'd instead gone straight to Liam Smith. Pathetic. If the fight was never happening at 160, why did they want a voluntary against Khan, and why did Canelo invite GG into the ring afterwards and say that he'd put the gloves back on then and there? What you've said above doesn't line up with Canelo's actions.



No. He could never have fought him now. You're kidding yourself.



We've already covered the above.

I'm certain he will eventually move up to SMW.

Answer my question do you think Canelo or Cotto fought each other because they wanted to move to 160? Yes or no. Boxing is filled with tons of examples where guys move up or down strictly for a big fight and if the belt is on the line great but the real key is the big fight and they don't give a damn what a alphabelt group has mandated. He fought at 155 he had no intentions of moving to 160 any time soon whether a belt was on the line or not I could give 2 shyts and even GGG's own team says neither guy are middleweights. Why they saying that because they fought at 155 NOT 160 duh.

He did vacate the belt but you upset he didn't do it right away? Maybe he thought GGG wouldn't be ****** enough to kill a fight by making a weight demand with the A side fighter who happens to be the biggest draw in boxing right now. And it was GGG and his camp who granted Canelo a voluntary fight. So if you upset about that then be upset with GGG. Why you give a voluntary fight when Canelo and his camp made it known if GGG fought him it would be at their weight. They said this BEFORE and after the Khan fight. If you think mr 100ppv flop had leverage being the mandatory was enough to force a bigger star to give up weight you out your mind and it backfired. GGG ain't Mayweather. Don't have the resume or ppv sales to make a weight demand on Canelo. And until GGG is willing move up in weight like he demands Canelo he is f ing hypocrite. In the meantime just like he tells guys at 168 you can sit and wait till Canelo moves up to 160.