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  • Originally posted by HI-TECH Boxing View Post
    Best boxers after 5 days:
    1. Hasanboy Dusmatov, Uzbekistan, Light-Fly
    2. Vassiliy Levit, Kazakhstan, Heavyweight
    3. Joahnys Argilagos, Cuba, Light-Fly
    4. Albert Selimov, Azerbaijan, Light-Fly
    5. Zhanibek Alimkhanuly, Kazakhstan, Middleweight
    6. Julio La Cruz, Cuba, Light-Heavy

    I have Dusmatov, Levit, and Argilagos ahead of Selimov, Alimkhanuly, and La Cruz because they have fought twice, so we have a better assessment of them.
    Dusmatov has had the tougher opponents and has defeated them pretty easily. Both of his opponents are better than the guys Argilagos and Levit have fought so far. That's why he is ranked #1 for me.
    Reason why I have Levit ahead of Argilagos is because he has dominated his fights, while Argilagos did struggle in that first one. To be fair to Argilagos his first opponent is the best out of their opponents.
    I have Selimov and Alimkhanuly ahead of La Cruz because they fought a better opponent and made it look just as easy as La Cruz did with his opponent. I also felt Selimov and Alimkhanuly were more consistent in their fights. La Cruz sometimes cruised a little too much. I also thought Selimov's and Alimkhanuly's performance were better. And considering their opponents were better makes it a bit more impressive. I know many will disagree.
    Remember they only have one or two fights under their belts so far, so we'll see where they place as the competition progresses.

    In line (meaning could potentially get in the top 5; also it's weight class order-from lightest to heaviest): Yurberjen Martinez, Oumiha, Tojibaev, Balderas, Alvarez, Conceicao, Gaibnazarov, Cissokho, Mbilli, Delgado, Savon.

    I'm sure I'm missing guys, but that's already a longer list than what I wanted. We'll see who is worthy of staying or getting in as they fight more.
    Martinez has fought three times and has looked good in all of them. His last fight was tough and exciting. Martinez deserves some respect. Oumiha has looked good in both his fights. I see people are pretty impressed by him.
    Tojibaev has also looked good in both his fights. Savon underwhelmed in his first fight, but looked better in this last fight. Not enough to be in the top 6 though. Balderas is just there because there are a lot of people talking about him, but I think he'll drop after his fight with Alvarez. Or if he beats Alvarez he may rise.

    People aren't giving Dusmatov enough credit. Guy has defeated two top guys and has done it convincingly. Joselito Velasquez, for example, has two victories over Argilagos and is a two time Pan American champion and was rated in the top 3-5 in the World for some time.
    Zhakypov is a two time World Championship medalist and a three time Olympian.
    If Dusmatov beats Hernandez and Argilagos he's definitely a contender for the Val Barker trophy. He has had some of the best performances so far in my opinion.
    Put some respect on Dusmatov's name.

    I am going by day by day (fight by fight) performances at these Olympics not their history. How they've looked and who they performed against.
    Guys that have only competed in one fight can still climb.
    After the top 6 guys it is difficult to really place the other guys. As the competition goes on and the more fights we will have a better idea, obviously.
    That's not a bad way to evaluate fighters because I am sure one of these fighters sooner or later will get an unfavourable decision so the gold medalist is not always the best fighter in the division. Right now 52 is the hardest division to have a favourite. Well obviously you have to go with Azerbeijani who won the gold. Veitia won silver but he lost a close ugly decision to the U.S kid and then the Venezuelian kid with pony tale. Veitia embarrassed him in Venezuela bad when everybody thought Filon or whatever his name is Veitia just made him look like he didn't belong. Then you have Asenov. Who else is there? A poster before me listed the other guys. I think the fights could go either way.

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    • Originally posted by ColdBlooded
      Lotta volume. Threw close to 100 punches in round 3 and still lost it. He has excellent stamina. But his accuracy was atrocious in this fight. There were literally instances where he'd miss seven or eight punches. He even missed something like twelve straight at one point in the fourth.
      I gotta disagree with you about this fight. Alvarez was aggressive but he was decisively outlanded in rounds two and three. Round one was close. Rounds four and five were clearly Alvarez. In round three, Alvarez was completely dominated. It was the most one sided round of the fight. I honestly don't get why people call this fight a robbery.
      The only rounds I can make a case for Selimov are 2 and 3. Rounds 1,4,5 Clearly Alvarez. And the commentators talking about how Selimov was blocking most of them. he was blocking but obviously a lot got through for his face to look like that and for him to be in survival mode in the last 2 rounds. I mean he didn't even throw 8 punches per round. If Selimov stood his ground a little bit more he would've got hit more.

      So in resume. Alvarez threw more, he landed more, he dictated the pace, he was the aggressor and he made Selimov run laps around the ring and hesitant to throw.

      So yeah it is a robbery. People giving Selimov rounds 2 and 3 are giving him these rounds based on him landing 3 and 4 flush punches these rounds.

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      • Originally posted by yngwie View Post
        The fighters in the shadows in cuba are really good.
        Milan used to beat Stevenson.
        Delis knocked out Savon a couple of times.
        Lara himself was in the shadow of Aragon.
        Because of Angel Herrera, Ramon Goire never got to the top level, he knocked down Pernell Whitaker 3 times.
        Bernardo Comas was awesome but Pablo Romero was dominating.
        Even the great Mario Kindelan himself went to olympics at 30 years old because he always was second to Julio Gonzales.
        And let's not forget that Andy Cruz was qualified at 52, but Cuba declined the spot because they wanted Robeisy in the olympics.
        Hold on, you know about Julio Gonzales, you're Cuban right?

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        • Originally posted by pesticid View Post
          Hold on, you know about Julio Gonzales, you're Cuban right?
          No, i am an amateur boxer from Costa Rica and i really like to study great fighters.

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          • As always the Cubans are going to be tough to beat.

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            • Originally posted by pesticid View Post
              The only rounds I can make a case for Selimov are 2 and 3. Rounds 1,4,5 Clearly Alvarez. And the commentators talking about how Selimov was blocking most of them. he was blocking but obviously a lot got through for his face to look like that and for him to be in survival mode in the last 2 rounds. I mean he didn't even throw 8 punches per round. If Selimov stood his ground a little bit more he would've got hit more.

              So in resume. Alvarez threw more, he landed more, he dictated the pace, he was the aggressor and he made Selimov run laps around the ring and hesitant to throw.

              So yeah it is a robbery. People giving Selimov rounds 2 and 3 are giving him these rounds based on him landing 3 and 4 flush punches these rounds.
              Anyone with two good eyes knows Alvarez clearly won the WSB fight. He also beat Selimov handily at the world championships, where Selimov got a gift against Conceicao. They have fought twice and he rearranged Selimov's face on both occasions.

              Selimov can't beat Alvarez without the judges, plain and simple.

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              • That was a freaking robbery. Butsenko was the only one landing clean shots. Hamout didn't land anything clean.
                Also, why didn't they give Hamout a caution he kept using his head.
                Disgusting. Hamout also got several rabbit punches in there.

                Hamout is always getting favored by the judges. The only time he had a case for winning, against the American in the WSB, he wasn't given the decision. Funny.

                Worst robbery so far in my opinion.

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                • A LOT of boxing today, the most so far


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                  • Great performance by Ramirez.

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                    • RD 1 close round. I give to Jordan.

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