Why is Broner criticized yet GGG praised?

[brettWall]

Funny part was Ward turned down the GG fight when it was offered by HBO. Stop making it appear GG is terrified of your newfound hero. It's the exact opposite.



Straight from GG's mouth:

"Hey, Ward, wake up! Why are you talking trash about other people? Speak for yourself. If you're trying to make a name for yourself by mentioning me to build up your own fight, then be a man about it and tell the truth. At our meeting with HBO they asked us whether we are ready to box. You know our answers - I said yes, you said no. You said something about your shoulder or promoter - I'm not interested in the reason, I only heard your "no." But you remember that HBO said then that they would need a long time to build-up the fight. Then what the **** are you talking about excuses?"

"If you do provocative attacks, do not even think that Loeffler [Gennady's K2 promoter] will buy into them. You haven't been interesting to anyone for a long time, so he will no longer engage in the promotion of your name. Go and build your own image. Although everyone already knows what you are, and because of this, they do not go to your fights."

"You shouldn't worry about who I'm going to box or have boxed. You, like the rest, were lucky with the "Super Six" tournament because you got your opponents by contract. And who are you fighting now? The fourth-fifth ranked fighters in England...If I say that I'm ready to box any middleweight and ready to rise to 168 for a big fight, then I am responsible for the words. And I have nothing left to discuss with you. As a man, you are dead to me."

What a revelation.

[SUBZER0ED]

Disagree

Andre Ward is the polar opposite of Broner as far as character but majority of the fans on here that hate Broner also find reasons to hate Ward.

That's a different story, entirely. First, Ward calls himself the Son Of God, which is blasphemous. Next, he's been called a P4P best, despite his best work coming some 4 years ago. He jacked up his own career trying to get out of his contract with Goossen. He was also out due to shoulder surgery, which isn't his fault, but it has further kept him out of the ring. Only recently has he finally been dropped from the #1 P4P slot, because of his inactivity. Since his comeback, he's fought a couple of bums & plans to fight an undersized guy 3 months before he's supposed to face Kovalev. As a result, there are some who don't believe he'll make that fight until next year.

[BillyBoxing]

Who has GGG beaten?

Daniel Geale to begin with, former unified WBA and IBF champ.
A man who beat Sturm and Sylvester in germany, Mundine, Karmazin...
GGG destroyed him in 3 rounds.

But I guess De Marco is a hell of a better win...

Murray who arguably beat Martinez and Sturm.
He also destroyed him, beating him every minute of the fight.

But you're right, GGG hasn't been able to put his hands on "names" like Martinez, Sturm, Jacobs (BJS now, GGG in 18 months) and Nelo "the vacater" since they openly avoided him.

[R_Walken]

That's a different story, entirely. First, Ward calls himself the Son Of God, which is blasphemous. Next, he's been called a P4P best, despite his best work coming some 4 years ago. He jacked up his own career trying to get out of his contract with Goossen. He was also out due to shoulder surgery, which isn't his fault, but it has further kept him out of the ring. Only recently has he finally been dropped from the #1 P4P slot, because of his inactivity. Since his comeback, he's fought a couple of bums & plans to fight an undersized guy 3 months before he's supposed to face Kovalev. As a result, there are some who don't believe he'll make that fight until next year.

Not really people just finding different reasons

As far as the son of God thing, IF your religious wouldnt you consider yourself a child/son of God. I don't get this issue at all except for people trying desperately to find some reason not to like Ward.

Your right he is P4p material and probably #1, he hasn't lost since he was like 12/13 and in that time he's won a sh.it load of Amateur tourneys, Olympic gold medal, cleaned out his division,, taken many guys 0s beaten multiple champions & HOFs so yeah I think you can make a claim he's #1 especialky if he beats Kov there should be no doubt.

I don't know the reason behind Goisen split but I can't hate a man for doing what he thinks is best for his career.

Yeah he hasn't been that active in the last 4 years but even the names that's he's fought aren't that bad just people want to criticize
Dawson (weight drained ) even though he requested the weight but he's was #1 in his division and had just beat Hopkins.
Edwin R - unbeaten & top 10 in his division at the time
P Smith - Arguably beat Abraham. It's funny Smith should have beat Abraham no big deal, Gilberto beats Abrham he's now #1 at 168
Berrera - Undefeated top 10 in division
Brand - No excuses , not a great fight

There's more nitpicking with Ward because you can't nitpick and criticize his character and his accomplishments. But the same fans who claim the reason they hate Broner is because he's ****** trash usually find Compmetly different reasons to hate Ward.

But I guess it's the way with boxing fans even if it's not logical they'll find reasons to hate boxers they don't like

[punchr]

Funny part was Ward turned down the GG fight when it was offered by HBO. Stop making it appear GG is terrified of your newfound hero. It's the exact opposite.



Straight from GG's mouth:

Game. Set. Match.

[PivotandRoll]

maidana and porter both beat broner...


do you guys watch boxing?

Yes and when GGG fights and beats fighters of that level we can say he is better, until then he and Broner have beaten the same level of competition.

[therealpugilist]

GGG is the most hated right now. Not Broner. It's not even close.

naw...he is the most overrated....he is "hated" in the eyes of his die hard fans because people criticize his resume, and expect the best out of him

no one expects more out of him than anyother fighter.

So being hated is an exaggeration

it annoys fans of boxing when you anoint or pump up fighters who have done less than fighter, than other fighters they criticized.

[PivotandRoll]

Daniel Geale to begin with, former unified WBA and IBF champ.
A man who beat Sturm and Sylvester in germany, Mundine, Karmazin...
GGG destroyed him in 3 rounds.

But I guess De Marco is a hell of a better win...

Murray who arguably beat Martinez and Sturm.
He also destroyed him, beating him every minute of the fight.

But you're right, GGG hasn't been able to put his hands on "names" like Martinez, Sturm, Jacobs (BJS now, GGG in 18 months) and Nelo "the vacater" since they openly avoided him.

That same Murray that was on ***** street every time Groves touched him?

Was that a Prime Martinez and Sturm he arguably beat?

Didn't Cotto destroy Geale in the same manner one fight later?

Who has GGG beaten that hasn't already been beaten in the same manor by a fighter who isn't horrendously overrated? Wade? Is that really it?

[therealpugilist]

Daniel Geale to begin with, former unified WBA and IBF champ.
A man who beat Sturm and Sylvester in germany, Mundine, Karmazin...
GGG destroyed him in 3 rounds.

But I guess De Marco is a hell of a better win...

Murray who arguably beat Martinez and Sturm.
He also destroyed him, beating him every minute of the fight.

But you're right, GGG hasn't been able to put his hands on "names" like Martinez, Sturm, Jacobs (BJS now, GGG in 18 months) and Nelo "the vacater" since they openly avoided him.

there are no morale victories in boxing

Martin Murray is what he is...a tough euro level fighter who can give world rated guys a tough time but never actually beat anyone world class.

Geale is a pretty good fighter but he is no world beater considering he got blitzed by Cotto. Wouldnt say he is the type of opponent that brings p4p ramifications. Geale just may be his best win.

Being unified champion loses a lot of luster when you dont even fight for your titles.

Hopkins fought for every single one of his belts and defended the undisputed title 6 times....all the ibf trinket defenses are nice but the opposition was thin just like GGG's wba super and regular defenses. Difference is Hopkins PROVED he was the best middleweight and GGG has not.

therefore even if he wins the wbo there is still a dispute on his claim to being champion.

Boxing is simple....to be the man you beat the man, or eliminate the top 1-3 guys with a claim, GGG hasnt

Broner has taken more risks...fought more titlists, fought in more divisions.....fighting Maidana and Porter was no small order...broner is not a welterweight. Small with a low punch output.


I dont put much stock into most of the alphabet belts. Broner jumping 140 and trying to compete at 147 is a bigger accomplishment than the belts....starting @ 135 and below and winning a title at 147 is one of the hardest jumps in boxing

People are downing Paulie Malignaggi now because he is washed up. If you watch Paulie fight and his resume when he fought Broner he only had 4 losses and one was a robbery to former champion Juan Diaz, Hall of famers Cotto, Hatton and former champion Khan. He had defeated former titilts Ndou, Juan Diaz, Ngoudjo, Senchenko, and Judah. Always tried his best vs the best but lately he is just past it....he wasnt when he fought Broner, he was only 31 with 4 losses.

IMO moving up and fighting a perennial guy Like Paulie who won titles at two divisions in his own right is more impressive than Beating Daniel Geale, Murray,etc.

[brettWall]

naw...he is the most overrated....he is "hated" in the eyes of his die hard fans because people criticize his resume, and expect the best out of him

no one expects more out of him than anyother fighter.

So being hated is an exaggeration

it annoys fans of boxing when you anoint or pump up fighters who have done less than fighter, than other fighters they criticized.

I'll go along with you if 3G was given the same opportunity as the others. Who avoided Broner, for instance? Nobody. You can say Burns, but who is Burns? He got 5 loses. Broner had no problem securing fights.

Why would I take it on GGG and not the guys who want no part of him? Ward declined HBO's offer when it was presented. Why would I hate GGG for that and not Ward? Who else? Sturm, Martinez, Ndam, Cotto, Alvarez, Saunders, Jacobs, did I miss somebody?... Why would I hate on GGG and not these guys?

Admit it, GGG is the most hated man in this forum for unreasonable reasons, not Broner. I don't see GGG fans making threads about Broner everyday.