Why is Broner criticized yet GGG praised?

[PivotandRoll]

How do you know what Hearn said to Kell Brook on the phone?

Re DeGale, Hearn is supposedly working on a unification fight between Chunky and Badou Jack, in London, later this year.

Fighting Brook in the UK next will help GGG to unify 160. If the British fans like him, and they want to see more, that will make it possible to pay BJS the kind of money he wants.

Because both said the exact same thing confirming each others story on IFL tv. In fact Kell lied in an earlier Interview and said he approached Hearn but changed his tune when Kugan asked him about what Hearn said, confirming Hearns story(and in doing so proving his version was an exaggeration)

He was also working on Brook/Vargas....Degale would have taken the deal and you know it. A GGG fight is worth more and he thinks probably easier.

I agree, GGG is making a smart move considering it doesn't back fire. Casuals won't care what weight Brook was.

[PivotandRoll]

i don't care what any of you people call . you'd feel the same way if somebody tried to tell you what fights you've seen

because i mentioned a molina [the guy i called "the ohter carlos molina] in my list, and you brought up the other other molina



as for john molina, he's a better fighter than monroe based on the lundy and provodnikov wins but he's not a better fighter than david lemieux.

for some perspective, prior to the provodnikov win [and provodnikov is a completely spent force, and liekly to retire,] molina jr was ranked in the 60's or 70's at 140.

he's not a better win than a top 5 middleweight in the world when he's coming off of two losses, the way he was when he fought broner.

He's never lost a 12 UD to a fighter like Alcine who got blown out by Macklin in 1. The ranking was because of consecutive losses to Broner, Soto and Lucas. Hardly bad fighters. I will give you that GGG beat Lemieux better than Broner beat Molina.

[New England]

He's never lost a 12 UD to a fighter like Alcine who got blown out by Macklin in 1. The ranking was because of consecutive losses to Broner, Soto and Lucas. Hardly bad fighters. I will give you that GGG beat Lemieux better than Broner beat Molina.

golovkin beats virtually everybody he fights as badly as broner used to beat up on guys half his size, and i think you're starting to come to the conclusion that golovkin's wins are over a similar tier of fighter that broner has beaten. only golovkin is doing it at his natural weight, and broner was killing himself to the point that he's missed weight several times.


and he actually lost a dull decision to a kid named martin honorio on espn, quite a similar fighter to alcine. smaller, moving up, hardly ever a world beater but a decent fighter.

molina probably was in the top 20-50 coming off of his loss to soto. i'm trying to figure that out now. he was coming in off of two losses, man. you're fighting an uphill battle if you want to convince me that it's a better win than a top 5 middleweight in the world.

[PivotandRoll]

golovkin beats virtually everybody he fights as badly as broner used to beat up on guys half his size, and i think you're starting to come to the conclusion that golovkin's wins are over a similar tier of fighter that broner has beaten. only golovkin is doing it at his natural weight, and broner was killing himself to the point that he's missed weight several times.


and he actually lost a dull decision to a kid named martin honorio on espn, quite a similar fighter to alcine. smaller, moving up, hardly ever a world beater but a decent fighter.

molina probably was in the top 20-50 coming off of his loss to soto. i'm trying to figure that out now. he was coming in off of two losses, man. you're fighting an uphill battle if you want to convince me that it's a better win than a top 5 middleweight in the world.

I've already proved that they weren't half his size. Demarco clearly wasn't, Molina wasn't , nor Taylor or many others.

Honorio is way better than advertised and no kid. His losses are to Guerrero, Salgado, Mendez, etc. Top fighters in his division.

Right because Lemieux had just beaten Rosado and N'dam...I'm actually starting to think you are trolling me or just really dense.

[kafkod]

Because both said the exact same thing confirming each others story on IFL tv. In fact Kell lied in an earlier Interview and said he approached Hearn but changed his tune when Kugan asked him about what Hearn said, confirming Hearns story(and in doing so proving his version was an exaggeration)

He was also working on Brook/Vargas....Degale would have taken the deal and you know it. A GGG fight is worth more and he thinks probably easier.

I agree, GGG is making a smart move considering it doesn't back fire. Casuals won't care what weight Brook was.

I just watched Kell's interview so I know what you were talking about there. He did ask Hearn for GGG a while back though, so that would have been why Hearn told him he should take the fight instead of Eubank.

He also said that the Vargas fight had stalled, and that he would have been fighting for peanuts. If DeGale can get Badou Jack in the UK, that will be a good earner for him. Loeffler has made it clear that GGG won't be fighting anybody at 168 till next year. Again, introducing GGG to the UK fans against Brook would set up GGG/DeGale later. Providing he beats Kell, of course.

Brook seems very confident in that interview. You can see he really wants the fight and he believes he's going win it.

[New England]

I've already proved that they weren't half his size. Demarco clearly wasn't, Molina wasn't , nor Taylor or many others.

Honorio is way better than advertised and no kid. His losses are to Guerrero, Salgado, Mendez, etc. Top fighters in his division.

Right because Lemieux had just beaten Rosado and N'dam...I'm actually starting to think you are trolling me or just really dense.

me saying "kid" isn't a reference to age, or disrespect. it's very common in my region.


so you think 20th ranked [generously] john molina coming off of two losses, including a knockout, is a better win than top 5 david lemieux coming off of a win over a top 10 middleweight in ndam and a solid if beatable gatekeeper in rosado?


and i'm trolling and dense? are you sure?



now are you really trying to tell me that demarco, ponce, perez, litzau, escobedo weren't giving up a ton in size? what's as important as the weigh in, or even fight night weights, is how the fighters got there.

he missed weight for several fights. he was even a pound over for the molina fight, but the comission allows a pound if you're the right fighter, and you're not ifghting for a world title.

the kid was killing himself to make weight and balooning up massively at 130. shaw was so concerned about it that he got it written into the demarco contract that broner would pay about 300k an lb IIRC. he had a big advantage in size over 130 and 135 lbers. it was well discussed in boxing circles, in the media, and even in his broadcasts.

or are you going to again try and convince me that the sky is red?

[Derranged]

me saying "wicked faht sniffah" isn't a reference to age, or disrespect. it's very common in my region. Yes, Bostonian's sniff each othah's fahts in public.

[Dean_Razorback]

how can this thread still going?

[New England]

totally erroneous. i thought we were bruhs!

[Derranged]

totally erroneous. i thought we were bruhs!

All in good fun.........