Who is better: Paul Smith/Barrera or David Lemieux/Murray/Macklin/Geale

[therealpugilist]

Ward and conclusively.

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[buge]

Ward's best win is a guy who was scared of GGG and retired rather than face him. If Ward beats Kovalev, he beats a guy who GGG dominated in sparring.

[therealpugilist]

This thread is pathetic. You've got GGG's best wins over journey men and guys knocked out when they've stepped up to world level and Ward's last two opponents since he was out with promotional issues for two years lol.

How about comparing Geale and Lemiuex to wins over Kessler and Froch, try that for a thread if you've the stones, or continue to hide in this thread.

If he had some integrity and didnt want to compare their entire career....like you said he could do their best wins

sad part is that wouldnt support his agenda because Kessler, Abraham, Froch>>>>>>>>>>Murray, Lemieux, Geale

and he knows this...pathetic


the trolling has hit the *****ter since 5/2/2015 on NSB

[Chuckguy]

If you are a Ward fan then the first option
If you are a GGG fan then the second one

There is no middle ground

[New England]

P4p is not who's better right now. You literally just made up your own criteria.

i did?

what is a pound for pound list other than hashing out who is the best boxer in the world, regardless of size?


and what, other than his performances in recent fights, are you basing your decions on? fights that took place 10 years ago? those are factoring heavily in your p4p list? sure, you can consider them, but you need to weigh recent fights far more heavily when you are figuring out who is p4p.

you are doing it wrong if you put a lot of emphasis on what somebody did in 2006 when you talk about who the best p4p fighter is right now.


the p4p list was basically "invented" to crown ray robinson as the best fighter on the planet regardless of size.

you consdier the qualtiy of opposition, the manner in which a fighter defeated that opposition, evaluate talents like power, speed, and chin, etc, as a means to an end; you want to know who the best fighter on the planet is, regardless of size, right now. that is a pound for pound list.


"Pound for pound is a term used in combat sports such as boxing[1] or mixed martial arts[2] to reflect an assessment as to who the better fighters are, regardless of size (i.e., regardless of weight class)."


^ these words aren't even mine


you can create your own criteria for rating fighters. i'm not trying to be a jackass, because i liek you as a poster, but i don't care much about your criteria if it's not trying to find out who the best fighter on the planet, regardless of size, is.

[therealpugilist]

Ward's best win is a guy who was scared of GGG and retired rather than face him. If Ward beats Kovalev, he beats a guy who GGG dominated in sparring.

Sparring and amatuers have nothing to do with real fight results...GGG best win is a Lemieux who has lost to bigger names and than he beat.....sorry

[therealpugilist]

p4p lists [who is better right tnow]

and resumes [who has accomplished more over the course of his career]

are different things completely. for that reason golovkin is the better p4p ranked fighter, while ward's got the better resume.


james toney is still trying to fight. shane mosley, too. both have a better resume than both guys. are they better ranked p4p fighters right now than gennady golovkin?

that was the dumbest analogy


bro...ward is undefeated and just 32 years old....Mosley and james toney are well into their 40s man and closer to 45 than 35

hell GGG is older than Ward...with a weaker resume

[Kagami Taiga]

i did?

what is a pound for pound list other than hashing out who is the best boxer in the world, regardless of size?


and what, other than his performances in recent fights, are you basing your decions on? fights that took place 10 years ago? those are factoring heavily in your p4p list? sure, you can consider them, but you need to weigh recent fights far more heavily when you are figuring out who is p4p.

you are doing it wrong if you put a lot of emphasis on what somebody did in 2006 when you talk about who the best p4p fighter is right now.


the p4p list was basically "invented" to crown ray robinson as the best fighter on the planet regardless of size.

you consdier the qualtiy of opposition, the manner in which a fighter defeated that opposition, evaluate talents like power, speed, and chin, etc, as a means to an end; you want to know who the best fighter on the planet is, regardless of size, right now. that is a pound for pound list.


"Pound for pound is a term used in combat sports such as boxing[1] or mixed martial arts[2] to reflect an assessment as to who the better fighters are, regardless of size (i.e., regardless of weight class)."


^ these words aren't even mine


you can create your own criteria for rating fighters. i'm not trying to be a jackass, because i liek you as a poster, but i don't care much about your criteria if it's not trying to find out who the best fighter on the planet, regardless of size, is.

Yea and that's not always based on who looks the best right now. In fact it's really never based on that. There are numerous criteria that goes into play, including overall resume, career dominance, wins, losses, in ring dominance. I'm even disappointed I have to explain this to you. It's embarassing. Don't go full ******.

[New England]

at the end of their careers...will they be remembered for the years 2014-2016 or will their entire body of work be measured? I know GGG is your boy but why cant you just face the fact he has work to do on his career....his resume is no where near words....learn how to deal with facts instead of cook up something to make a baseless point

you're not ****** man...fighters are remembered by their body of work, not by 2 year intervals

again, resumes and p4p rankings are totally differnt things. ward has a better resume, but his best work was literally 3-5 years ago. he's been very inactive, and i have no issues with people having golovkin ranked above him as a reflection of that reality.



youy really need to actually read my posts in a thread before you comment. also, the idea that golovkin is my boy and that ward is not is just ridiculous.


i've already got my hotel booked for ward - kovalev ffs . let me guess, i'm there for kovalev?

you guys just don't get it, and you ascribe differing opinions to "fanboyism" without understanding my perspective, or even the facts regarding the situation.


golovkin's resume isn't as good as ward. resume and the p4p list are different things, which i've explained thoroughly in this thread and elsewhere a myriad of times.

[New England]

Yea and that's not always based on who looks the best right now. In fact it's really never based on that. There are numerous criteria that goes into play, including overall resume, career dominance, wins, losses, in ring dominance. I'm even disappointed I have to explain this to you. It's embarassing. Don't go full ******.

and what do those criteria help you decide?

who is a better fighter regardless of size? or something else?



Pound for pound is a term used in combat sports such as boxing[1] or mixed martial arts[2] to reflect an assessment as to who the better fighters are, regardless of size (i.e., regardless of weight class).


again, who wrote this? am i really making up my own criteria :lol1?


i was trying to be civil with you, but now that you've called me a ****** it's just getting to be too much.


"a p4p list is not a measurement of who the best fighters are regardless of size."

"what is it?"

"well, uhh, you have this criteria you use to figure out who is better regardless of size, but it's way different."