Comments Thread For: Sergio Martinez: Canelo Made Smart Business Move With GGG

[ShoulderRoll]

They were talking about moving up to a higher division, not about fighting a mandatory.

And a GGG fight would have made a lot more financial sense than what Canelo is doing now.

It doesn't matter what they were talking about. The bottom line is that they used money as an excuse to avoid a very risky fight.

Smart business move, doe.

[PunchyPotorff]

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Originally Posted by Toltec77 View Post
Hey Cotto pulled the same crap when it came down to fight Canelo, making his queen diva demands because he was the A side like his cry baby fans were saying!three times it took cotto to finally man up! So Canelo has 2 more times before it equals that to fight GGG. i think it was a great move by Canelo,now he can demand big money and not slip with GGG, because it a very risky fight.

Yep. I think Cotto fans though... as much as we hear about Cotto being a diva... his fans will give him a free pass on anything most likely. Great fighter, yes. But also an insanely large ego.

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Originally Posted by ИATAS View Post
To be fair I've always called him a ****. Never liked Sergio.

I wasn't a fan of him blowing off Dmitry Pirog multiple times making excuses and then fighting the Darren Barkers & Macklins of the world and I wasn't a fan of him blowing off Golovkin making excuses. Sure, I understand he wanted a "money fight", but he just had a money fight in Chavez jr and a "gimmie" fight in Argentina against Murray (which obviously turned out to be a very tough fight for Sergio and lucky it was at home).

My point is - if Sergio didn't lose to Cotto the cluster**** that followed would never have happened. When Sergio vs Cotto was announced I preached nonstop how important it was Sergio wins or else we would end up with welterweights fighting for the lineal middleweight crown, which is exactly what happened.

So was he still a c word when he KOd Williams in 2? Just curious how far this goes.

??? How is is "Smart Business" when you lose 75% of your fans???

I guess we'll see in his next fight. Liam isn't bringing much of anything in fans, so if it's a sold out fight at the MGM Grand.... your theory is in jeopardy, friend.

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Originally Posted by NaijaD View Post
The Chavez Jr. Fight was in September 2012 and Cotto was June 2014.... I wouldn't say he had just had his money fight.

Wasn't there a money and location dispute between he and Pirog? As I recall he wasn't willing to go to Russia because he was the more recognised fighter despite Russia being more lucrative location, I guess Macklin was a bum back then but he suddenly became a good fighter when Golovkin knocked him out.

My point is Sergio didn't do anything wrong, anyone in his position would have fought Cotto, Golovkin was still trying to fight Cotto when he dropped the WBC belt.

Agreed. Sergio gets way too much heat for as solid of a career as he had. And no one dismantled Williams any better... unless you count the motorcycle wreck.

[kafkod]

It doesn't matter what they were talking about. The bottom line is that they used money as an excuse to avoid a very risky fight.

Smart business move, doe.

Ok. And I guess it also doesn't matter to you that Ward didn't want the fight back then either, and for the same reason. The difference between Ward and Abel Sanchez is that Abel told the truth when asked about it, and Ward didn't.

[KingHippo]

Absolutely. I won a lot of money on that fight too, I predicted sergio by KO. The signs were there Williams chin was getting cracked (Kermit Cintron made his legs wobble before he leaped out the ring, Martinez was whooping him at times first fight).

Like I said, I never liked Sergio. That was my personal beef with the guy. His KO over Williams was phenomenal. His win over drunk Pavlik was solid. Outside of that, I didn't care for his MW reign very much and as stated, he caused this entire mess by losing to Cotto in the first place. On top of that, I really disliked his attitude towards Dmitry Pirog and later Golovkin.Just wasn't a fan of the guy or his style of fighting.

And the cat is finally out of the bag.

[b Murphington]

The only thing that can be taken away from all of this is that Canelo and his handlers are afraid of Golovkin. A fight against Golovkin brings Canelo so much money. The fight makes perfect sense financially. A loss to Golovkin legacy wise, devastating.

[ShoulderRoll]

Ok. And I guess it also doesn't matter to you that Ward didn't want the fight back then either, and for the same reason. The difference between Ward and Abel Sanchez is that Abel told the truth when asked about it, and Ward didn't.

Team Golovkin played the "it doesn't make financial sense" card. Nothing you can say is going to make that go away.

He is just as much of a "bidnessman" as any of them.

[Ake-Dawg]

Ok. And I guess it also doesn't matter to you that Ward didn't want the fight back then either, and for the same reason. The difference between Ward and Abel Sanchez is that Abel told the truth when asked about it, and Ward didn't.

Didn't Loeffler respond to the Roc Nation offer with "maybe 2017"? How is that Ward not wanting it.

[kafkod]

Team Golovkin played the "it doesn't make financial sense" card. Nothing you can say is going to make that go away.

He is just as much of a "bidnessman" as any of them.

And has he ever played the "Feel my balls Abel ... whoops I've lost them, take my belt instead" card?

[kafkod]

Didn't Loeffler respond to the Roc Nation offer with "maybe 2017"? How is that Ward not wanting it.

It was back in 2013 when Abel said the fight didn't make financial sense, but it wouldn't have made any difference anyway, because Ward wasn't ready to fight back then.

[PunchyPotorff]

Absolutely. I won a lot of money on that fight too, I predicted sergio by KO. The signs were there Williams chin was getting cracked (Kermit Cintron made his legs wobble before he leaped out the ring, Martinez was whooping him at times first fight).

Like I said, I never liked Sergio. That was my personal beef with the guy. His KO over Williams was phenomenal. His win over drunk Pavlik was solid. Outside of that, I didn't care for his MW reign very much and as stated, he caused this entire mess by losing to Cotto in the first place. On top of that, I really disliked his attitude towards Dmitry Pirog and later Golovkin. Just wasn't a fan of the guy or his style of fighting.

Fair enough I guess. I didn't like his entire career, but thought he had several great fights. I especially liked his quick unorthodox hands down boxing style, vs JCC Jr, and obviously the Williams KO. The Cotto fight was IMO just an extremely fired up Cotto vs an injured Martinez. I doubt Cotto would've had any luck at all vs a prime Sergio. Just my 2 cents.