Comments Thread For: Arum: Golovkin, Kovalev Don't Have Lomachenko's Skills

[Jubei]

The question is why does Arum mention GGG and Kovalev when he is talking about Loma? Does he want to get some attention for his fighter by using these names? Seems like it.

[DinoCop]

Any day now till loma is "the best fighter ive seen since Ali"

Hhahaha, dawn of the Lomatards is coming...

[aboutfkntime]

I'm not a Pacquiao, Golovkin nuthugger.

As a boxing fan, and how those guys represent the sport, I can just respect them.

You seem to be more a hater when it comes to both fighters.

Just like saying Marquez won, any person with a brain who is not a nuthugger/hater will admit those are close/could gone either fights.

Regarding Golovkin, there is a difference between wanting him to take bigger challenges/ better opponents and bashing, hating on the guy in every thread.
Plus, I think Golovkin woulda gladly fought Martinez, Cotto and Canelo if at least they didn't duck him.

Cotto, Sasakul, Marquez, Barrera, Fatton were the best of their division when Pacquiao beat them, yes.

Why are u even talking about Diaz?

Pacquiao is the men who took bigger challenges in our era, more than Floyd IMO

Moving up 7 weight classes to fight Cotto, Clottey, Floyd, Bradley 3 times ain't that much ridiculous I hope?

A knowledgeable realist.

I do not like manufactured fighters, mostly because I don't like being lied to.

Golovkin is Pacquiao 2.0

The 2 most manufactured fighters during the last 20 years are Pac/GGG.

And many insiders have made that exact same claim.

Pacquiao is a terrific fighter, but the last half of his career is completely smoke n mirrors..... e.g. Mayweather fought guys who were relevant, and more importantly, right on top of their game..... Mayweather fought those guys when they were hot..... Pacquiao intentionally did not, Hoya, Cotto, Mosley, Margarito, were ALL at the lowest points in their career when Pac fought them..... proven by the fact that Pac totally refused to rematch Cotto at 150, and also by the fact that he turned down #1-ranked Mosley TWICE!!..... and I won't even mention the other likely "I]advantages[/I]" that Pac had during that stage of his career.

I have been following this sport for decades, why should I put up with that bull****?..... just because a lot of "fans" loved Manny?

Not my problem, and neither is the current fascination with Golovkin.

Also, Cotto and Fatton were NOT the best in their division when Pac fought them..... Cotto, are you serious?

And why shouldn't I mention Diaz?..... you stated that it is better to clean out a division rather then cherry-pick the easiest "champ"..... which is NOT what Pacquiao did at lightweight.

And then you finished your post by wanking on about weight-classes..... despite the fact that you stated earlier that it is better to clean out a division rather then cherry-pick the easiest "champ".

Sorry, but I just see convenient revolving double-standards, depending on who you seem to like at the time..... the fact that you think Pacquiao took on bigger challenges than Floyd proves that point, because he clearly did not..... he tip-toed through the tulips, cherry-picking easy titles at 135/140/147/154..... intentionally avoiding more dangerous versions of Cotto/Mosley, no way would he have fought Canelo/Hoya at 154, etc.

[285Kid]

Lomachenko does a great Adrien Broner impression

[theface07]

Power is good to have but skills pay bills.

In most cases but not for Rigondeaux. He's not alone either. You usually need a combination of skill and power to make big bucks. Power punchers are more fan friendly, thus, generally make more money. Unless of course, you're Mayweather and you sell tickets to people hoping that you get knocked out.

[HanzGruber]

Hhahaha, dawn of the Lomatards is coming...

lomatards.. im sure that will be a thing some day soon

[theface07]

no way would he have fought Canelo/Hoya at 154, etc.

Of course he wouldn't. Manny is no junior middleweight. How many fighters who start at flyweight end up at junior middle? Floyd started at super feather which is way above fly weight and he only went as high as junior middleweight.
Plus, you say Manny fought all his best competition when they were past their prime but Floyd fought guys like Cotto and Marquez much later than Manny while Manny fought guys like De La Hoya, Hatton and Mosley later than Mayweather. I think they both fought the best competition sooner or later but Floyd is the naturally bigger welterweight.

[LomaUsykKlichko]

Lomachenko does a great Adrien Broner impression

Hahah that's hilarious

[BillyBoxing]

A knowledgeable realist.

I do not like manufactured fighters, mostly because I don't like being lied to.

Golovkin is Pacquiao 2.0

The 2 most manufactured fighters during the last 20 years are Pac/GGG.

And many insiders have made that exact same claim.
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Many insiders think the same? like Paulie Malignaggie? Bitter US losers who can't stand the fact that some foreigners are getting the top spot and the $.
Same for the posters here.

The man fought Bradley 3 times, Marquez 4 times, Barrera 2 times, Morales 2 times, Floyd, Cotto, Ledwaba but yet has a padded record and hasn't been challenged? LOL

Pacquiao and GGG are Nothing alike, Pacquiao has been challenged to death trough 9 divisions, GGG still playing with some US policemen.

Pacquiao is a terrific fighter, but the last half of his career is completely smoke n mirrors..... e.g. Mayweather fought guys who were relevant, and more importantly, right on top of their game..... Mayweather fought those guys when they were hot..... .

Lol, Floyd fought Cotto, Mosley, Pacquiao, Marquez and DLH (his best wins: the great fighters he fought) at their bests?
Marquez at 147?

Pacquiao has fought great fighters, close to their prime in Marquez or Barrera.

Floyd didn't, otherwise who?

Pacquiao intentionally did not, Hoya, Cotto, Mosley, Margarito, were ALL at the lowest points in their career when Pac fought them..... proven by the fact that Pac totally refused to rematch Cotto at 150, and also by the fact that he turned down #1-ranked Mosley TWICE!!..... and I won't even mention the other likely "I]advantages[/I]" that Pac had during that stage of his career.

I have been following this sport for decades, why should I put up with that bull****?..... just because a lot of "fans" loved Manny?
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DLH, Mosley, Margo are not legacy wins for Pacquiao, everybody knows those wins are some and mirrors.

But you still have 2 wins over Barrera, Marquez, Morales and Bradley.

The win over Cotto is an impressive win IMO, Cotto had to make 145 but made 146 vs Clottey in his previous fight.
Then Manny shut out Clottey for 12 rounds.

Antonio Margarito
2. Miguel Cotto
3. Shane Mosley
4. Joshua Clottey
5. Manny Pacquiao
6. Carlos Quintana
7. Zab Judah
8. Luis Collazo
9. Andre Berto
10. Isaac Hlatshwayo

The man Grabbed some nice wins, even at 147.
People overlook the Clottey shut out but Clottey was number 4 of the division.

Not my problem, and neither is the current fascination with Golovkin.

Also, Cotto and Fatton were NOT the best in their division when Pac fought them..... Cotto, are you serious?
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Fatton still had the 140 lineal title when he fought Manny, he lost to Floyd at 147.

And why shouldn't I mention Diaz?..... you stated that it is better to clean out a division rather then cherry-pick the easiest "champ"..... which is NOT what Pacquiao did at lightweight..

Who cares about Diaz, yes, Pacquiao fought the weak champ at 135. Floyd fought the best 154 pounders?
No, he fought DLH when you had Forrest, Spinks, Shane, Karmazin ranked above. Also Cotto wasn't the best at 154.

And then you finished your post by wanking on about weight-classes..... despite the fact that you stated earlier that it is better to clean out a division rather then cherry-pick the easiest "champ".
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Yes, Pacquiao sould have clean up the 9 divisions in fought in, C'mon.


I'm talking about guys who are fighting in their very first divisions.

Sorry, but I just see convenient revolving double-standards, depending on who you seem to like at the time..... the fact that you think Pacquiao took on bigger challenges than Floyd proves that point, because he clearly did not......

I think the same about you.

I think Pacquiao took more risks than Floyd, yes, especially size wise.

I'm waiting for you to tell me, which great fighter in his prime Floyd fought, or at least close to his prime. I'm really calling you out on this, since you seems to pretend I'm being dishonnest using double-standards.

he tip-toed through the tulips, cherry-picking easy titles at 135/140/147/154..... intentionally avoiding more dangerous versions of Cotto/Mosley, .

Yes, he's been cherry picking, taking money fights.
Floyd did the same and paved the way.

Don't think Cotto and Bradley were easy titles.

Floyd himself fought Cotto and Mosley at their best?
He has been fighting around them for years unlike Pacquiao who is a career featherweight.

The difference is for Floyd, Cotto and Mosley should have been prime legacy defining wins.

no way would he have fought Canelo/Hoya at 154, etc.

And?
Floyd fought Nelo at 152 by the way.
And Oscar asked for Manny at 145 when he had his first fight at 135.

[aboutfkntime]

Of course he wouldn't. Manny is no junior middleweight. How many fighters who start at flyweight end up at junior middle? Floyd started at super feather which is way above fly weight and he only went as high as junior middleweight.

Neither is Mayweather, that is just an excuse.

If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Plus, you say Manny fought all his best competition when they were past their prime but Floyd fought guys like Cotto and Marquez much later than Manny while Manny fought guys like De La Hoya, Hatton and Mosley later than Mayweather. I think they both fought the best competition sooner or later but Floyd is the naturally bigger welterweight.

no no no no, I said this "Mayweather fought guys who were relevant, and more importantly, right on top of their game..... Mayweather fought those guys when they were hot..... Pacquiao intentionally did not".....


* Hoya was at the worst point of his career when Pac fought him, Mayweather detractors say that Hoya was shot 2 years earlier when Mayweather fought him at 154..... a number of welters would have beaten the old shot shrink-wrapped 145lb version of Hoya that Pac fought..... even Mayweather would have knocked him out, and so would Marquez..... that's not Pac's fault, but it is what it is, NOT a great win.

* Cotto was at the worst point of his career when Pac fought him, he had been brutalized by Margarito, did not have a trainer, and had to drain down to 145 for Pac..... the version that Mayweather fought was much better/healthier..... and Pac totally refused to rematch that version of Cotto at 150 when Cotto was the 154 champ, he demanded 147 and then walked away from his #1 option.

* Mosley was at the worst point of his career when Pac fought him, he had just lost to Mayweather and then drawn with Mora..... you could see that Shane was clearly shot in the Mora fight, he couldn't pull the trigger..... but Manny wanted NOTHING to do with the #1 ranked Mosley who KTFO Margarito 2 years earlier, rejecting him TWICE!

* Margarito, was at the worst point of his career when Pac fought him, he had been KTFO by Mosley, and suspended for loading his wraps.....


I completely disagree with you.

1) boxing is all about styles/matchmaking, and a HUGE part of that is timing..... Bruce Trampler and Brad Goodman did a wonderful job with Pac, they caught those guys at the perfect time...... it is no coincidence that ALL of those guys were on the way down when Pac fought them, proven by the fact that Manny refused to fight a healthier Cotto and Mosley.

2) Name one Pacquiao opponent since Marquez II (2008), other than Mayweather.... who would not have been beaten by A NUMBER OF GUYS from his own division..... name just one?..... when you cannot, stop for a second and think about that for a bit

ALLLLLLLLL just coincidence, right ?


Pac is a terrific fighter, no question..... he IS truly elite !

..... but, the rumors of his greatness have been significantly exaggerated, and that is the very nicest way that I can put it.