Comments Thread For: Arum: Golovkin, Kovalev Don't Have Lomachenko's Skills

[aboutfkntime]

Many insiders think the same? like Paulie Malignaggie? Bitter US losers who can't stand the fact that some foreigners are getting the top spot and the $.
Same for the posters here.

The man fought Bradley 3 times, Marquez 4 times, Barrera 2 times, Morales 2 times, Floyd, Cotto, Ledwaba but yet has a padded record and hasn't been challenged? LOL

Pacquiao and GGG are Nothing alike, Pacquiao has been challenged to death trough 9 divisions, GGG still playing with some US policemen.

Lol, Floyd fought Cotto, Mosley, Pacquiao, Marquez and DLH (his best wins: the great fighters he fought) at their bests?
Marquez at 147?

Pacquiao has fought great fighters, close to their prime in Marquez or Barrera.

Floyd didn't, otherwise who?

DLH, Mosley, Margo are not legacy wins for Pacquiao, everybody knows those wins are some and mirrors.

But you still have 2 wins over Barrera, Marquez, Morales and Bradley.

The win over Cotto is an impressive win IMO, Cotto had to make 145 but made 146 vs Clottey in his previous fight.
Then Manny shut out Clottey for 12 rounds.

Antonio Margarito
2. Miguel Cotto
3. Shane Mosley
4. Joshua Clottey
5. Manny Pacquiao
6. Carlos Quintana
7. Zab Judah
8. Luis Collazo
9. Andre Berto
10. Isaac Hlatshwayo

The man Grabbed some nice wins, even at 147.
People overlook the Clottey shut out but Clottey was number 4 of the division.

Fatton still had the 140 lineal title when he fought Manny, he lost to Floyd at 147.

Who cares about Diaz, yes, Pacquiao fought the weak champ at 135. Floyd fought the best 154 pounders?
No, he fought DLH when you had Forrest, Spinks, Shane, Karmazin ranked above. Also Cotto wasn't the best at 154.

Yes, Pacquiao sould have clean up the 9 divisions in fought in, C'mon.

I'm talking about guys who are fighting in their very first divisions.

I think the same about you.

I think Pacquiao took more risks than Floyd, yes, especially size wise.

I'm waiting for you to tell me, which great fighter in his prime Floyd fought, or at least close to his prime. I'm really calling you out on this, since you seems to pretend I'm being dishonnest using double-standards.

Yes, he's been cherry picking, taking money fights.
Floyd did the same and paved the way.

Don't think Cotto and Bradley were easy titles.

Floyd himself fought Cotto and Mosley at their best?
He has been fighting around them for years unlike Pacquiao who is a career featherweight.

The difference is for Floyd, Cotto and Mosley should have been prime legacy defining wins.

And?
Floyd fought Nelo at 152 by the way.
And Oscar asked for Manny at 145 when he had his first fight at 135.

You are talking utter bollocks, and I heard that same fluffery from Arum.

Neither is Mayweather, that is just an excuse.

If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen.

no no no no, I said this "Mayweather fought guys who were relevant, and more importantly, right on top of their game..... Mayweather fought those guys when they were hot..... Pacquiao intentionally did not".....

* Hoya was at the worst point of his career when Pac fought him, Mayweather detractors say that Hoya was shot 2 years earlier when Mayweather fought him at 154..... a number of welters would have beaten the old shot shrink-wrapped 145lb version of Hoya that Pac fought..... even Mayweather would have knocked him out, and so would Marquez..... that's not Pac's fault, but it is what it is, NOT a great win.

* Cotto was at the worst point of his career when Pac fought him, he had been brutalized by Margarito, did not have a trainer, and had to drain down to 145 for Pac..... the version that Mayweather fought was much better/healthier..... and Pac totally refused to rematch that version of Cotto at 150 when Cotto was the 154 champ, he demanded 147 and then walked away from his #1 option.

* Mosley was at the worst point of his career when Pac fought him, he had just lost to Mayweather and then drawn with Mora..... you could see that Shane was clearly shot in the Mora fight, he couldn't pull the trigger..... but Manny wanted NOTHING to do with the #1 ranked Mosley who KTFO Margarito 2 years earlier, rejecting him TWICE!

* Margarito, was at the worst point of his career when Pac fought him, he had been KTFO by Mosley, and suspended for loading his wraps.....

I completely disagree with you.

1) boxing is all about styles/matchmaking, and a HUGE part of that is timing..... Bruce Trampler and Brad Goodman did a wonderful job with Pac, they caught those guys at the perfect time...... it is no coincidence that ALL of those guys were on the way down when Pac fought them, proven by the fact that Manny refused to fight a healthier Cotto and Mosley.

2) Name one Pacquiao opponent since Marquez II (2008), other than Mayweather.... who would not have been beaten by A NUMBER OF GUYS from his own division..... name just one?..... when you cannot, stop for a second and think about that for a bit

ALLLLLLLLL just coincidence, right ?

Pac is a terrific fighter, no question..... he IS truly elite !

..... but, the rumors of his greatness have been significantly exaggerated, and that is the very nicest way that I can put it.

1) Name one Pacquiao opponent since Marquez II (2008), other than Mayweather.... who would not have been beaten by A NUMBER OF GUYS from his own division..... name just one?

NOTHING great happened during that time-frame..... how can a win be regarded as " great " when a number of guys could have pulled it off?

Admit it, you fell for the bull****

2) Explain to me why Pac blatantly ducked healthier versions of Mosley/Cotto?

3) Explain to me why Manny Steward stated during the second Marquez fight that the normal 500-600 punch Pacquiao looked shopworn, and that he had been in too many wars..... but who then suddenly "improved" and looked "rejuvenated" (Stewards words from the Diaz fight LMAO)..... who then turned into this 1200+ punch Pacquiao (that - coincidentally - refused to take random blood tests).... but who then suddenly turned back into the usual 500-600 punch Pacquiao, which - coincidentally - was around the same time that he finally agreed to undertake random blood tests?

Come on man, don't be ridiculous..... I am SURE that you know/suspect what's up..... regardless as to how willing you are to admit it.

[HeroBando]

Many insiders think the same? like Paulie Malignaggie? Bitter US losers who can't stand the fact that some foreigners are getting the top spot and the $.
Same for the posters here.

The man fought Bradley 3 times, Marquez 4 times, Barrera 2 times, Morales 2 times, Floyd, Cotto, Ledwaba but yet has a padded record and hasn't been challenged? LOL

Pacquiao and GGG are Nothing alike, Pacquiao has been challenged to death trough 9 divisions, GGG still playing with some US policemen.



Lol, Floyd fought Cotto, Mosley, Pacquiao, Marquez and DLH (his best wins: the great fighters he fought) at their bests?
Marquez at 147?

Pacquiao has fought great fighters, close to their prime in Marquez or Barrera.

Floyd didn't, otherwise who?



DLH, Mosley, Margo are not legacy wins for Pacquiao, everybody knows those wins are some and mirrors.

But you still have 2 wins over Barrera, Marquez, Morales and Bradley.

The win over Cotto is an impressive win IMO, Cotto had to make 145 but made 146 vs Clottey in his previous fight.
Then Manny shut out Clottey for 12 rounds.

Antonio Margarito
2. Miguel Cotto
3. Shane Mosley
4. Joshua Clottey
5. Manny Pacquiao
6. Carlos Quintana
7. Zab Judah
8. Luis Collazo
9. Andre Berto
10. Isaac Hlatshwayo

The man Grabbed some nice wins, even at 147.
People overlook the Clottey shut out but Clottey was number 4 of the division.



Fatton still had the 140 lineal title when he fought Manny, he lost to Floyd at 147.



Who cares about Diaz, yes, Pacquiao fought the weak champ at 135. Floyd fought the best 154 pounders?
No, he fought DLH when you had Forrest, Spinks, Shane, Karmazin ranked above. Also Cotto wasn't the best at 154.




Yes, Pacquiao sould have clean up the 9 divisions in fought in, C'mon.


I'm talking about guys who are fighting in their very first divisions.



I think the same about you.

I think Pacquiao took more risks than Floyd, yes, especially size wise.

I'm waiting for you to tell me, which great fighter in his prime Floyd fought, or at least close to his prime. I'm really calling you out on this, since you seems to pretend I'm being dishonnest using double-standards.



Yes, he's been cherry picking, taking money fights.
Floyd did the same and paved the way.

Don't think Cotto and Bradley were easy titles.

Floyd himself fought Cotto and Mosley at their best?
He has been fighting around them for years unlike Pacquiao who is a career featherweight.

The difference is for Floyd, Cotto and Mosley should have been prime legacy defining wins.



And?
Floyd fought Nelo at 152 by the way.
And Oscar asked for Manny at 145 when he had his first fight at 135.

Why do you bother with that dingle berry? Everybody's got that loser on ignore

[BM dnobagaV]

Lil guys usually do have more skills. Big guys have more power. More fans dig power over skills is Loma's & all lil guys problem.

Loma is gonna keep moving up until like JWW/WW where the money is. Given loma 12 inch reach disadvantage and he'll still outbox you..

[HI-TECH Boxing]

Of course Lomachenko is better than both! And he's going to prove it.

[TheBoxingXpert]

They would never get outboxed by Salido.

[HeroBando]

They would never get outboxed by Salido.

In their 2nd fight? Who knows. Kovalev went life and death with Boone with a lot more pro XP, and Salido is levels above

[kiDynamite92]

Only guy to have better skills then Lomachenko in Rigondeaux. No one comes close, especially not a middleweight and light heavyweight.

[BillyBoxing]

You are talking utter bollocks, and I heard that same fluffery from Arum.





1) Name one Pacquiao opponent since Marquez II (2008), other than Mayweather.... who would not have been beaten by A NUMBER OF GUYS from his own division..... name just one


NOTHING great happened during that time-frame..... how can a win be regarded as " great " when a number of guys could have pulled it off?

Admit it, you fell for the bull****
.

Except that Pacquiao came straight from 130, that's what made his wins impressive.

I don't think a "number of guys" would have beaten Clottey, Cotto and Bradley.

Clottey himself was ranked number 4, Cotto number 2 behind Margo at 147.

2) Explain to me why Pac blatantly ducked healthier versions of Mosley/Cotto?
.

Dunno if he blatantly "ducked" them, he already had a win over Cotto, Mosley was a tough match size wise, maybe they waited Manny to get more used to 147.

3) Explain to me why Manny Steward stated during the second Marquez fight that the normal 500-600 punch Pacquiao looked shopworn, and that he had been in too many wars..... but who then suddenly "improved" and looked "rejuvenated" (Stewards words from the Diaz fight LMAO)..... who then turned into this 1200+ punch Pacquiao (that - coincidentally - refused to take random blood tests).... but who then suddenly turned back into the usual 500-600 punch Pacquiao, which - coincidentally - was around the same time that he finally agreed to undertake random blood tests?

Come on man, don't be ridiculous..... I am SURE that you know/suspect what's up..... regardless as to how willing you are to admit it.

Pretty much simple, Pacquiao rehydrated around 15 pounds at the end of his 130 run wich is a lot for a small man, I think he kinda was "rejuvenated" by the fact that he had to rehydrate 5 pounds only.

You know how I feel about that, I already stated Canelo would be healthier/faster and in better shape at 160 rehydrating 12 pounds instead of 17.

I don't think there was a conspiracy of moving up and taking peds, sorry about, there is Nothing to make me conclude Something like that.

I think we can all find reasons and if you don't like Pacquiao, well, you'll go for the peds explanation.


The thing is, you're saying (like most Pacquiao haters) "Pacquiao has been fighting bums from Marquez 2" and that's why he looked good.

Then, "but he koed everybody, throwing 1200 punches per fight so was on peds".
But man I thought he was fighting low opposition?huh?You don't need PEDS to beat and outthrow shot/drained/bum fighters??


Pacquiao has been looking gun shy after the Marquez ko, his attitude changed more than his shape IMO.
He even was cautious vs Algieri, a man who barely can crack an egg.


To me it's all US bias, people like you suspect lil Manny taking peds because he beat welterweights (shot fighters according to you), but everything is OK when Bernard can go 12 rounds with guys like Pascal, Dawson and withstand a beating from Kovalev at 50 years old LOL, Roy getting a pass to comment on HBO despite being caught, but you salty mofos "go all Malignaggi" on Pacquiao everytime LMAO

As I stated many times, if Manny was from the Bronx, he would be dck rided by US posters.

Larryx would have lil dude tatooed on his booty, explaining us all day how much he's great, how you have no proof he's on ped, how Floyd beat him because he's bigger.

[bluzi]

Smaller fighters always look more "skilled" they throw more with less caution because they have way less 1 punch KO risk which we have at higher weight class , Kovalev and GGG are both great boxers with power , for some reason pepole here think all they have is power which is clearly wrong , Kovalev took Bhop / Pascal to school it was a boxing clinc.
the little guys are always sexier to watch throwing combos and moving around ce la vi.

[aboutfkntime]

Except that Pacquiao came straight from 130, that's what made his wins impressive.

I don't think a "number of guys" would have beaten Clottey, Cotto and Bradley.

Clottey himself was ranked number 4, Cotto number 2 behind Margo at 147.

Dunno if he blatantly "ducked" them, he already had a win over Cotto, Mosley was a tough match size wise, maybe they waited Manny to get more used to 147.

Pretty much simple, Pacquiao rehydrated around 15 pounds at the end of his 130 run wich is a lot for a small man, I think he kinda was "rejuvenated" by the fact that he had to rehydrate 5 pounds only.

You know how I feel about that, I already stated Canelo would be healthier/faster and in better shape at 160 rehydrating 12 pounds instead of 17.

I don't think there was a conspiracy of moving up and taking peds, sorry about, there is Nothing to make me conclude Something like that.

I think we can all find reasons and if you don't like Pacquiao, well, you'll go for the peds explanation.

The thing is, you're saying (like most Pacquiao haters) "Pacquiao has been fighting bums from Marquez 2" and that's why he looked good.

Then, "but he koed everybody, throwing 1200 punches per fight so was on peds".
But man I thought he was fighting low opposition?huh?You don't need PEDS to beat and outthrow shot/drained/bum fighters??

Pacquiao has been looking gun shy after the Marquez ko, his attitude changed more than his shape IMO.
He even was cautious vs Algieri, a man who barely can crack an egg.

To me it's all US bias, people like you suspect lil Manny taking peds because he beat welterweights (shot fighters according to you), but everything is OK when Bernard can go 12 rounds with guys like Pascal, Dawson and withstand a beating from Kovalev at 50 years old LOL, Roy getting a pass to comment on HBO despite being caught, but you salty mofos "go all Malignaggi" on Pacquiao everytime LMAO

As I stated many times, if Manny was from the Bronx, he would be dck rided by US posters.

Larryx would have lil dude tatooed on his booty, explaining us all day how much he's great, how you have no proof he's on ped, how Floyd beat him because he's bigger.

Right, those 8 ridiculous excuses were just " US bias "


Pac gave 8 ridiculous excuses, because he did not have 1 genuine reason.


Which one of those ridiculous excuses did you believe ?


Serious question, which one of those 8 ridiculous excuses worked for you ?

people like you suspect lil Manny taking peds because he beat welterweights

no no no, people like me believe that Pac was juicing for the following reasons....

1) because he killed a super-fight by refusing to undertake random blood tests, and then provided a litany of ridiculous excuses

2) because he gained 15lbs of muscle in 9 months while ripping through 3 divisions, all the while increasing his speed/power, and more importantly punch-output..... wtf?

Some of us are pretty familiar with boxing man.

3) because Pac has the 2nd highest recorded weight gain in boxing history at 40lbs, but get this..... the guy who has the highest recorded weight-gain in boxing history ended up at HEAVYWEIGHT, AND he used steroids to get there LMAO..... Pac's weight-gain is simply unbelievable compared to the #1 guy, and yet the #1 guy tested positive for nandrolone.

4) back when Pac was a normal 500-600 punch fighter, during the 2nd Marquez fight Emmanuel Steward stated that Manny looked shopworn, and that he had been in too many wars..... and yet 3 months later after hooking up with Alex Ariza, Steward was gushing with praise during the Diaz fight, saying that Pac looked "rejuvenated" and "remarkable"LMAO

So, the Pac who would likely have agreed to random blood testing against Marquez, looked shopworn as a 500-600 punch fighter..... and yet the Pac who refused random blood testing looked "rejuvenated" and fresh-as-a-daisy after throwing 1200+ punches against Clottey..... and then 4 years later when Pac finally agreed to undertake random blood testing, he is suddenly this normal 500-600 punch fighter, again.

Come on man SMH

Pac is terrific, and I know you love him, but lets keep it real.