Comments Thread For: Arum: Golovkin, Kovalev Don't Have Lomachenko's Skills

[RightJabLikeZab]

not many do..

[BillyBoxing]

Right, those 8 ridiculous excuses were just " US bias "


Pac gave 8 ridiculous excuses, because he did not have 1 genuine reason.


Which one of those ridiculous excuses did you believe ?


Serious question, which one of those 8 ridiculous excuses worked for you ?





no no no, people like me believe that Pac was juicing for the following reasons....

1) because he killed a super-fight by refusing to undertake random blood tests, and then provided a litany of ridiculous excuses

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That's just bias excuses I agree, but IMO, it was not about not taking the tests, but more not bending to Floyd's diva demands.

I don't think he killed the super fight, they both did, when Floyd really wanted to do the fight and came to Manny, it happened.

Maybe this excuse is fishy, but so is Floyd's story whith his IV of vitamins.

You know I'm a Manny guy but you will not see me accusing Floyd of juicing with no proof, and hell, that whole IV story if FISHY, more than saying "fraid af needlis, you know".

2) because he gained 15lbs of muscle in 9 months while ripping through 3 divisions, all the while increasing his speed/power, and more importantly punch-output..... wtf?
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He didn't, THAT'S WRONG, so you're talking about something you don't know. I follow the sport accurately, you obviously don't...

Pacquiao made 145 (fight at 130) on fight night for Marquez 2 and made 148 for Margarito (154 title) on fight night.

The higher Pacquiao made is 151 on fight night so he gained 6 pounds at best.

He stopped rehydrating 15 pounds, wich can only be good for your shape.

Some of us are pretty familiar with boxing man.

3) because Pac has the 2nd highest recorded weight gain in boxing history at 40lbs, but get this..... the guy who has the highest recorded weight-gain in boxing history ended up at HEAVYWEIGHT, AND he used steroids to get there LMAO..... Pac's weight-gain is simply unbelievable compared to the #1 guy, and yet the #1 guy tested positive for nandrolone.

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Familiar to boxing... I know boxing from a very close look, I had a couple of amateur fights here in Europe when I was 18, I have been sparring with pros for years and know them well.


Regarding Pacquiao and Jones jr comparison, apple and oranges...
Pacquiao started as a pro when he was 16,
Floyd was himself a flyweight when he was 16 but an amateur fighter.
(That's the TOP excuse used by *****s to explain us Manny and Floyd are about the same size.)

Jones won the 1984 United States National Junior Olympics in the 119 lb (54 kg) weight division, YES BATAMWEIGHT, he was 15.

Pacquiao was a very young world champion at 19 while Jones wasn't a pro at that age, AGAIN WRONG COMPARISON

4) back when Pac was a normal 500-600 punch fighter, during the 2nd Marquez fight Emmanuel Steward stated that Manny looked shopworn, and that he had been in too many wars..... and yet 3 months later after hooking up with Alex Ariza, Steward was gushing with praise during the Diaz fight, saying that Pac looked "rejuvenated" and "remarkable"LMAO
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Ariza, the man who then trained Floyd?
Like I said, Pacquiao stopped to rehydrate 15 pounds moving up and had a hot run until Marquez killed him.

Comparing the Clottey and the Marquez 2 fight is being dishonnest plain and simple.

So, the Pac who would likely have agreed to random blood testing against Marquez, looked shopworn as a 500-600 punch fighter..... and yet the Pac who refused random blood testing looked "rejuvenated" and fresh-as-a-daisy after throwing 1200+ punches against Clottey..... and then 4 years later when Pac finally agreed to undertake random blood testing, he is suddenly this normal 500-600 punch fighter, again.

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Apple and oranges again.

Clottey standed in front of Pac like a heavy bag, not answering, damn boy, you are smater than that.

Marquez was countering Manny to death.

Come on man SMH

Pac is terrific, and I know you love him, but lets keep it real.

Well shake your head bro.

I believe on Pacquiao run at 147, and this because 147 ain't that good, I always said this division was overrated, Pacquiao and Floyd struggled more at 130 and 135.
Those lil guys are fast and skilled.

[aboutfkntime]

Why do you bother with that dingle berry? Everybody's got that loser on ignore

You did not put me on ignore because I am a dingle-berry ?

You put me on ignore because I kept owning you like a $2 whore.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...1#post16197261

[aboutfkntime]

That's just bias excuses I agree, but IMO, it was not about not taking the tests, but more not bending to Floyd's diva demands.

I don't think he killed the super fight, they both did, when Floyd really wanted to do the fight and came to Manny, it happened.

Maybe this excuse is fishy, but so is Floyd's story whith his IV of vitamins.

You know I'm a Manny guy but you will not see me accusing Floyd of juicing with no proof, and hell, that whole IV story if FISHY, more than saying "fraid af needlis, you know".

The official word is pac-tard !

What gave it away was you admitting which one of those 8 ridiculous excuses you believed

Even his mother wouldn't believe that dumb ****.

Absurd.

And not sure how much of that other stuff I believe either.

I think you are being dishonest with me, because despite writing a LOT of rubbish in that post, rubbish that I know even you don't believe, you also said this..... "Maybe this excuse is fishy, but so is Floyd's story".....


WTF !!


How the hell does the validity of Floyd's story, affect the validity of Pac's "fishy" story? WTF? You just stated that Floyd cheated, so pac should be allowed to as well..... so all that other rubbish you typed was just silly excuses.

So when I asked you which one of Pac's 8 ridiculous excuses you believed, and you gave an awful reply, "not bending to Floyd's diva demands"..... you didn't believe that rubbish and were probably laughing as you typed it LMAO..... otherwise you wouldn't have admitted that Pac's story is "fishy".

And that goes a HUGE way to explaining your position on Golovkin.

Dude, I am not interested in having a mature conversation with you, if you intend to accept/overlook certain things simply because you love Pac.

Let's agree to disagree, and leave it there !

He didn't, THAT'S WRONG, so you're talking about something you don't know. I follow the sport accurately, you obviously don't...

Pacquiao made 145 (fight at 130) on fight night for Marquez 2[/B] and made 148 for Margarito (154 title) on fight night.

[B]The higher Pacquiao made is 151 on fight night so he gained 6 pounds at best.

He stopped rehydrating 15 pounds, wich can only be good for your shape.

Familiar to boxing... I know boxing from a very close look, I had a couple of amateur fights here in Europe when I was 18, I have been sparring with pros for years and know them well.

Regarding Pacquiao and Jones jr comparison, apple and oranges...
Pacquiao started as a pro when he was 16,
Floyd was himself a flyweight when he was 16 but an amateur fighter.
(That's the TOP excuse used by *****s to explain us Manny and Floyd are about the same size.)

Jones won the 1984 United States National Junior Olympics in the 119 lb (54 kg) weight division, YES BATAMWEIGHT, he was 15.

Pacquiao was a very young world champion at 19 while Jones wasn't a pro at that age, AGAIN WRONG COMPARISON

You just stated that you understand boxing, so for the purpose of clarity, let's you and I NEVER discuss fight-night weight ever again.

Let's regard fight-night weight as pedophilia..... a taboo subject that is completely irrelevant to boxing, and an unnecessary topic of conversation.

130-147, in 9 months.....
http://boxrec.com/boxer/6129

You said that you understand boxing..... so yea, we use weight divisions.

Ariza, the man who then trained Floyd?
Like I said, Pacquiao stopped to rehydrate 15 pounds moving up and had a hot run until Marquez killed him.

Comparing the Clottey and the Marquez 2 fight is being dishonnest plain and simple.


Apple and oranges again.

Clottey standed in front of Pac like a heavy bag, not answering, damn boy, you are smater than that.

Marquez was countering Manny to death.

Well shake your head bro.

I believe on Pacquiao run at 147, and this because 147 ain't that good, I always said this division was overrated, Pacquiao and Floyd struggled more at 130 and 135.
Those lil guys are fast and skilled.

You have completely missed the ppint.

Forget Marquez/Clottey.....

Back in 2008, Pac was a normal 500-600 punch fighter..... just like everyone else.

Then he moved up THREE divisions and DOUBLED his punch-output.

How long did you say you've been following boxing again ?

By 2010, Pac was a 1200+ punch fighter who (coincidentally) refused to undertake random blood tests, and who did not look tired at the end of his fights..... but then once he finally agreed to undertake blood testing, he appeared to be a normal 500-600 punch fighter, who did look tired at the end of his fights.


So yea, not a good look imo.....

I believe on Pacquiao run at 147

Well, I actually do follow boxing, so I don't for 3 reasons.....

1) Pac never fought guys when they were hot, he fought them when they were not, and that was intentional..... he never fought an opponent ranked higher than 5, other than Mayweather and probably feather-fisted Bradley..... and the guys he did fight were OBVIOUSLY on the slide, so obvious that it cannot be ignored.

Pac CLEARLY ducked healthier versions of Cotto/Mosley, which cannot be justified..... the latter half of his career was extremely well-managed to the point of being manufactured.

2) Not only was Pac fighting guys who were on the slide, he always held a contractual/weight advantage over his opponent..... I had NEVER previously encountered a fighter where the weight was a major negotiation point in every single fight..... he dragged the big guys down and he pulled the little guys up, hence the term "manny-weight".

Pac also coined the phrase "The Catchweight King".

Nobody was ever going to forget all that manipulation.

And the only excuse you guys can come up with is "oh, but Pac fought in many divisions blah blah"..... which is rubbish. That is just a weak excuse for YOU guys to accept mediocrity and label it as greatness.

Gloved boxing has been around for more than a hundred years, un-gloved boxing for way longer..... THOUSANDS of fighters have dedicated their lives to the game, and yet I don't hear those kind of excuses being made about anyone else.

In 30 years time, people will not look back at boxing history in hindsight and accept that rubbish..... they will say "so what, everyone else who moved up faced the SAME situation, why are you making excuses for Pacquiao".

3) the steroid thing, not only is Pac's 147 "run " suspect, it is most likely completely fake


Let's agree to disagree.

[lopetego]

To be fair, nobody has Lomachenko's skills, not even you GGG