Comments Thread For: Malignaggi: Canelo's Next Foes Will Reveal Golovkin Intentions

[Eastcoast]

I'm interested in a Canelo/Smith fight if it leads to a unification with Jermall/JRock. I see the winner of Andrade/Jermell being avoided due to their styles, along with Lara.

[bigdunny1]

Thats the PBC way man, Haymon gets his guys a belt and then doesn't know what to do with them afterwards except have them fight the Willie Nelsons of boxing. The only time a PBC fighter will unify if its against a non-PBC fighter from a small promotion thats very beatable or an inside PBC fighter Haymon doesnt like.

Yup look at Spence who is in the deepest division of Haymon fighters yet he was sent down a road to jump through hoops for IBF eliminators instead of getting a direct shot at either of the 2 belts Haymon controls at 147 or facing any of the better higher ranked welterweights under Haymon's control. And if you buy the crap about him needing a mando then why wasn't he sent down the road to rise up the rankings and get a mando shot for either of the belts that Garcia owns or Thurman? Haymon is specifically steering his top fighters away from each to get them their own belts instead of them fighting each other. It's as clear as day what is going on. With as many top guys at 147 and 154 that are all on the same network and have same advisor they should be fighting one another more then they have been.

[Boxfan83]

The top men at 154 are

Jermall Charlo
Erislandy Lara
Jermell Charlo
Demetrius Andrade
Vanes Martirosyan
Julius Williams
Charles Hatley
Liam Smith
Willie Nelson

Jermall fought Trout and his next fight is against J-Rock
Lara fought Vanes and Trout
Jermell Charlo fought Julian Jackson for the vacant WBC title and his next fight is Hatley
Andrade just fought Willie Nelson and he's the mandatory for the winner of Hatley-Charlo fight
Vanes has fought Andrade, Nelson, Lara, and Jermell Charlo

The only cham in the division who hasn't fought anybody is Liam Smith. Show me another division where so many of the top fighters have fought each other and/or scheduled mandatories to fight each other

Unifications >>> Mandatories IDK why a certain demographic on NSB feels that they need to back Haymon, he has a monopoly on a division and doesnt have a unified champ, there are no excuses. And to answer your question no other division can have their top guys fight all top guys because of boxing politics of certain promoters not doing business with each other, thats not the case at 154 yet theres no lineal champ.

[Motorcity Cobra]

Unifications >>> Mandatories IDK why a certain demographic on NSB feels that they need to back Haymon, he has a monopoly on a division and doesnt have a unified champ, there are no excuses. And to answer your question no other division can have their top guys fight all top guys because of boxing politics of certain promoters not doing business with each other, thats not the case at 154 yet theres no lineal champ.

I don't know why a certain demographic on NSB feels the need to misrepresent the FACTS. PBC is no different than HBO, both are fight content providers. But you'll never see people demand HBO force their fighters to fight each other. And you'll never see people demand promoters fight their fighters. When Walters wants more money to fight Lomachenko people don't blame the guy who's supposed to pay him. They blame the fighter. When fighters on HBO refuse to fight their mandatory they don't blame HBO for letting them fight other fighters. They blame the fighter. People understand HBO can't force fighters to fight. People also understand Dunkin and Klimas can't force the fighter they manage to fight. But for some strange reason people think Haymon can break the law and force guys to fight.

Vanes has said Haymon offers guys fights. Some guys turn them down and some guys accept. Even Vanes turned down the chance to fight J-Rock. For some reason people don't understand it's the fighters, they blame Haymon. Can you explain to me how Haymon can legally force a fighter to fight another fighter?

[Boxfan83]

Yup look at Spence who is in the deepest division of Haymon fighters yet he was sent down a road to jump through hoops for IBF eliminators instead of getting a direct shot at either of the 2 belts Haymon controls at 147 or facing any of the better higher ranked welterweights under Haymon's control. And if you buy the crap about him needing a mando then why wasn't he sent down the road to rise up the rankings and get a mando shot for either of the belts that Garcia owns or Thurman? Haymon is specifically steering his top fighters away from each to get them their own belts instead of them fighting each other. It's as clear as day what is going on. With as many top guys at 147 and 154 that are all on the same network and have same advisor they should be fighting one another more then they have been.

Yeah man and if you think about it Porter vs Thurman is a damn good fight BUT it should really be Thurman vs Garcia. Unifications >>> Mandatories!!! The problem I see is Haymon is a YES MAN, which is great in a sense because boxers go through a lot for our entertainment and deserve spotlight in sports and big pay days but by doing this it compromises the integrity of the sport even moreso than it already is.

Certain posters on here feel its their deed to back Haymon's BS instead of call it outright, I like Top Rank as a promotional company but I call Bobs BS all the time, not that he cares or minds but I try and look at things neutrally for the most part.

[HWChampion]

The top men at 154 are

Jermall Charlo
Erislandy Lara
Jermell Charlo
Demetrius Andrade
Vanes Martirosyan
Julius Williams
Charles Hatley
Liam Smith
Willie Nelson

Jermall fought Trout and his next fight is against J-Rock
Lara fought Vanes and Trout
Jermell Charlo fought Julian Jackson for the vacant WBC title and his next fight is Hatley
Andrade just fought Willie Nelson and he's the mandatory for the winner of Hatley-Charlo fight
Vanes has fought Andrade, Nelson, Lara, and Jermell Charlo

The only cham in the division who hasn't fought anybody is Liam Smith. Show me another division where so many of the top fighters have fought each other and/or scheduled mandatories to fight each other

Why are you overrating the JMW division? Like Pauline? And FYI if you actually followed boxing. Instead of just your bruddas, you would acknowledge the CW division is far far deeper then the JMW. Where there isn't a monopoly of fighters but yet they all fight one another. If canelo goes to 154 he's a ***** simple as. Lara chats c.rap about GG he should move up and get body bagged. Andrade is the only solid solid fighter there. The Charlo bros aren't that impressive.

[Boxfan83]

I don't know why a certain demographic on NSB feels the need to misrepresent the FACTS. PBC is no different than HBO, both are fight content providers. But you'll never see people demand HBO force their fighters to fight each other. And you'll never see people demand promoters fight their fighters. When Walters wants more money to fight Lomachenko people don't blame the guy who's supposed to pay him. They blame the fighter. When fighters on HBO refuse to fight their mandatory they don't blame HBO for letting them fight other fighters. They blame the fighter. People understand HBO can't force fighters to fight. People also understand Dunkin and Klimas can't force the fighter they manage to fight. But for some strange reason people think Haymon can break the law and force guys to fight.

Vanes has said Haymon offers guys fights. Some guys turn them down and some guys accept. Even Vanes turned down the chance to fight J-Rock. For some reason people don't understand it's the fighters, they blame Haymon. Can you explain to me how Haymon can legally force a fighter to fight another fighter?

Funny thing is we are not talking about HBO, so I really dont understand why HBO is being brought up, they have their own problems & BS too but at least they are forcing Ward vs. Kovalev! I/we are talking about PBC and the issues I see and the one you fail to recognize. you gave no real explanation as to why none of these guy are fighting each other, other than Haymon gives them a list of names and they choose not to fight each other. C'mon so are you saying the fighters themselves are ducking each other? I understand with Walters he wanted more $, but Haymon pays well, better than Cheapo Arum at least so are they taking the easy road? I can understand making a $ grab, these guys have a lifestyle to support but as a fan I dont understand why someone wouldnt want to see 1 champ.

And to answer your question, Haymon cannot force anyone to fight just like Arum couldnt hold a gun to Walters to fight Lomanchecko for pennies BUT Al could make big $ offers to unify instead of making such big$ offers to fight Rod Salkas and country music singers.

[Bronx2245]

Canelo vs GGG last I checked have different promoters and different managers? Same with Ward and GGG. There are political reasons. Haymon owns all these guys and is both manager and promoter to all except Andrade and Smith. You want to make excuses for why Haymon has all these fighters in camp and all we heard for years is why this is a good thing and will make these fights easier to make and yet it's basically the opposite. Perfect example Lara calling out Canelo and GGG when he's got a plethora of in house fights at 154 and 160.

Lara called out Canelo and GGG because they're top dogs. And he only got to fight one of them, the one not on HBO. Like I said, patience! Enjoy Thurman vs. Porter, LSC vs. Frampton, and Mares vs. Cuellar. I'm sure there's a lot more to come!

[krazyn8tive]

Canelo's ppv numbers will be in the ****ter even more if it's not GGG next. This guy is a coward and a liar and has one of the most carefully coordinated careers I can ever remember. 155? Wtf is 155?!

[bluzi]

cut the smoke and mirrors. Jermell, Jermall, Lara, Andrade, Smith, J-Will are the top fighters at 154 and NONE as of today have fought each other. Other then Lara the rest are really unproven and we won't know how good they are until they fight each other.

Indeed , those 10 fighters list of tip top quality fighters ppl are throwing around is too much , and thats becasue they are NOT fighting eachother ....