Comments Thread For: Fortune To Golovkin: Don't Fight a Smaller F***ing Guy - Move Up!

[M Bison]

If Ward-Kovalev outdoes GGG-Lemieux in PPV buys. Does that change the Ward-GGG commentary from the GGG fanbase? Of course Ward needs to win, which is far from a given. But Kovalev is relatively unknown by casuals, as is Lemieux. So if Ward does equal to or a better number than GGG with an unknown dance partner, does a potential showdown become more attractive. Especially if Canelo isn't gonna happen anytime soon.

Ward Vs Kovalev will likely do the same numbers that Lemieux Vs GGG did 150k or maybe just a little bit more.
The undercard would need to be really good that and you said it yourself Kovalev isn't that big of name, so how many did Ward have viewing him when he was on freeview on BET?

[Eastlos]

How am I grasping at straws? You said that it's a "known fact that boxers peak at 27 or 28" and I named several who peaked before and after. Maybe most boxers peak in their late 20s or early 30s but using that phrase is ridiculous. And you can't say Canelo is a perfect example of that before he's turned that age - for all you know he fights GGG and has his prime beaten out of him like Taylor against Chavez.



Haha, I think you've just ended the argument.



So now that the talk of primes is gone out the window it's moved on to star power? If you think Canelo is that good would you not want to see him against the best?

So you agree more boxers do peak in their late 20's? I'm not gonna argue that Benitez went downhill after the hitman fight because he did but that was due in large part to his alcohol/drug abuse, if he stayed clean you don't know how good he would of been. Again, Canelo is a prime example of a fighter that gets better with age if you don't see that then obviously you just talking out of your @zz. Only because you named a handful of fighters who regress as they got older in large part because of drugs or lack of effort then you haven't provent anything. Athletes hit their peaks at 27

[Eastlos]

Actually Ward has fought at 160 and was doing so professionally at the same time Golovkin was in 2006.

Really can you please enlighten me with who he fought at 160 professionally because nowhere in boxrec do I see any middleweight bouts for Ward...

[_Maxi]

top strength and conditioning coach justin fortune, who helps freddie roach prepare fighters such as manny pacquiao, viktor postol, miguel cotto, denis lebedev and numerous others, believes gennady golovkin (35-0, 32kos) should move up in weight to pursue bigger challenges.
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at 1:05 he is asked what he thinks in regards to golovkin and canelo fighting at 160:

at 160 it's a good fight and triple g beats him

he said this one month ago. You can take him as seriously as a pair of clown shoes.

end thread.

[GGG Gloveking]

Really can you please enlighten me with who he fought at 160 professionally because nowhere in boxrec do I see any middleweight bouts for Ward...

Im guessing you didnt look that hard then...

Date-Opponent-Wards weight
6.18.2005-Ben Aragon-160
8.18.2005-Chris Holt-159 1/2
10.01.2005-Glenn Leplante-159 3/4
11.19.2005-Darnell Boone-160
2.23.2006-Kendall Gould-160 1/4
4.29.2006-Andy Kolle-160

He also fought Derrick Findley at 161 in November 2006 before moving to SMW

[Gary Coleman]

I'm No GGG fan by no means, He should move up and challenge himself, but that should be his choice. If he wants to make a name in history, he needs those big fights. He should have took that Ward fight.

BUT

To defend a fighter that's pretty much doing the same thing is being a hypocrite at it finest. Canelo just fought Khan!

Yes, it was for the money but not the challenge.

The difference being that Canelo has fought top opposition.

[fvanesbeck]

So you agree more boxers do peak in their late 20's? I'm not gonna argue that Benitez went downhill after the hitman fight because he did but that was due in large part to his alcohol/drug abuse, if he stayed clean you don't know how good he would of been. Again, Canelo is a prime example of a fighter that gets better with age if you don't see that then obviously you just talking out of your @zz. Only because you named a handful of fighters who regress as they got older in large part because of drugs or lack of effort then you haven't provent anything. Athletes hit their peaks at 27

So now it's athletes in general who hit their peak at 27? I didn't realise you were a sports scientist.

I also mentioned Martinez who peaked late and you could throw Bernard Hopkins into the mix too, who got better with age into his 30s. I never said Canelo hadn't improved, but he's not a prime example of someone who'll necessarily peak at 27 or 28. In fact, many fighters who turned pro very young (like Canelo) tend to peak at younger ages so it's very possible that he's at his peak right now. We won't know until he stops fighting people from lower weight divisions, I suppose. Again, if you're a fan of his I'd assume you'd want to see him fight Golovkin. You obviously think he'd lose that fight seeing as you're making every excuse under the sun for him...

[Eastlos]

Im guessing you didnt look that hard then...

Date-Opponent-Wards weight
6.18.2005-Ben Aragon-160
8.18.2005-Chris Holt-159 1/2
10.01.2005-Glenn Leplante-159 3/4
11.19.2005-Darnell Boone-160
2.23.2006-Kendall Gould-160 1/4
4.29.2006-Andy Kolle-160

He also fought Derrick Findley at 161 in November 2006 before moving to SMW

Oops my bad... I didn't really look to hard yup you're right. Ward did fight @ 160 early in his career. Although, you can't expect a 32 yr old to still make the same weight he did when he was in his early 20's. Golovtard's keep crying that Canelo shouldn't fight at a catchweight even though he vacated the belt but are fine with Lil G fighting @ a catchweight for Ward do you see the double standard there?

[Eastlos]

So now it's athletes in general who hit their peak at 27? I didn't realise you were a sports scientist.

I also mentioned Martinez who peaked late and you could throw Bernard Hopkins into the mix too, who got better with age into his 30s. I never said Canelo hadn't improved, but he's not a prime example of someone who'll necessarily peak at 27 or 28. In fact, many fighters who turned pro very young (like Canelo) tend to peak at younger ages so it's very possible that he's at his peak right now. We won't know until he stops fighting people from lower weight divisions, I suppose. Again, if you're a fan of his I'd assume you'd want to see him fight Golovkin. You obviously think he'd lose that fight seeing as you're making every excuse under the sun for him...

Really dude, I have said Athletes from the start never did I specify boxers that's why I use Stephen Curry as a example. Go look at my earlier post that will shut you up. As I said before Canelo has never fought at 160 or a true middleweight for anyone to expect him to fight Lil G is idiotic give the kid some fight first then put him in there but now now

[GGG Gloveking]

Oops my bad... I didn't really look to hard yup you're right. Ward did fight @ 160 early in his career. Although, you can't expect a 32 yr old to still make the same weight he did when he was in his early 20's. Golovtard's keep crying that Canelo shouldn't fight at a catchweight even though he vacated the belt but are fine with Lil G fighting @ a catchweight for Ward do you see the double standard there?

Why not? Golovkin at 34 makes the same weight he did when 10 years ago. Im 37, and weigh within5 lbs of what I did when I graduated high school 20 years ago.

As far as your 'double standard', I would agree if Gokovkin were a SMW champ fighting at 161 and demanding challengers fight at 161. But thats not the case. He made an offer to fight a champ in a higher weight class right in the middle. Frankly, the double standard I see comes from Canelo and/or Ward fans. They expect a champ to go down 5lbs for a champ in the same division, but don't expect a champ to go down 4 lbs for a champ from a lower division. That, to me, is a double standard.