Comments Thread For: Golovkin, K2 Promotions Still Plan To Negotiate Canelo Fight

[Progrssive_Jedi]

They weakened their hand

Now with how the fans, active fighters, former greats, and the media blasted Canelo yesterday, they almost have to fight him. And k2 knows this. They can still say no to CW and no one will care, because Canelo said 160.

Someone should remind team GGG that their goal is for GGG to become the unified middleweight champion of the world.

Sure, but they also want the lineal and to give fans what thy want. They're are not gonna move on if Canelo is serious, fans will get mad. Haters would ****ing die of excitement.

There was no way a fight of this magnitude can be made in 15 days. Its not realistic. I'm glad to here no crazy demands where made by Golden Boy.

So at least their is hope that this a fight can still happen by September.

Yea it could. K2 just wants 70/30 and 160. And to not have to wear gigantic gloves.

I thought getting all the titles was the priority

And they also want the lineal and to give fans what thy want. They'd commit career suicide f they say no to reasonable demands and kill the fight.

[Progrssive_Jedi]

GBP throws a left to the body, now what's counter-punch? K2 should've seen this coming, if not they SUCK! Bucks > Belts. It is what it is. K2 has the belt, now do they want the bucks? 155 *****es!!!

They should just let Canelo drown in the slop he just jumped into. 160 or continue to have everyone call you a coward.

Fighters should get payed what they deserve. Canelo deserves more than Golovkin and that is fact. It is their lives on the line.

K2 already conceded that!

That has yet to be seen, both sides are still "negotiating". Am I lacking in the reading comprehension department or is damn near everyone on NSB jumping the gun too quickly? Neither side said they were through attempting to get the fight done, neither side stepped away from the negotiation table, so why is everyone up in arms? It's quite interesting to sit back and watch the world spin out of control.

Now, if the fight falls through and both men go on their way then yes, Saul will deserve the ridicule. Until then I reserve my judgement. You never know what tomorrow holds in store.

Really, you believe that, how long you've been watching boxing?

[Shadoww702]

At least Mikey Garcia is back! Man Canelo is a disgrace.

[aboutfkntime]

C'mon about, let's "keep it real"

Canelo just burnt not GGG's excuse but his OWN DUTY to fight GGG.

"but they asked 164 for Ward, so he has to make 155 for Pelirojo doe". Does it really make sense? That's not an argument.

No of course not..... Golovkin should feel obligated to fight Canelo for 3 reasons, and neither of those reasons are the Ward duck.

1) because he spent THREE YEARS parading around stating that he can beat "anyone from 154-168", including as recently as last October

2) because if he walks away from that huge payday/exposure after talking all that ****, he will look like a b1tch, and fans will definitely start to question his ability/status/heart.... many are questioning those things already

3) because he is not a young man and yet after 10+ years as a pro he still has a rookie resume'...... and he is running out of excuses to avoid world-class opponents.

So maybe GGG ducked Ward, but it doesn't give a pass AT ALL to Ginger Boy to duck GGG in return.

Of course he ducked Ward ,that fact is plainly obvious.

Props for being the only Golovkin fan who has publicly admitted it.

Man, you're defending a guy who pulled a Bowe.
And fck that I'm not a 160 pounder, "I'm too small", the guy weight 175 on fight night and hadn't been at 154 for 5 fights.

Dropping a belt is a ducking when you are supposed to fight your mando.

Nah, I completely disagree.

1) Immediately prior to the Cotto fight, Canelo said this..... "I have no interest in middleweight"..... all throughout the discussion, Canelo said this..... "all of my future opponents will be at 155". So the WBC should have never sanctioned him as an opponent.

2) Canelo is clearly not a genuine middleweight, regardless as to the current casual-fan theory..... so who really gives a fk

3) All Team Golovkin said was, and the Golovkin fans echoed it..... drop the belt..... and he did. Now they can negotiate in good faith, knowing that Team Bull**** cannot pull a swifty to force a purse-bid..... and knowing that Team Bull**** can no longer hide behind the "mando doe" excuse.

Canelo has been honest..... but is Golovkin full-of-****, or not ?

[aboutfkntime]

you're talking as if canelo had been at middleweight for years. he won the belt only cause cotto wanted it on the line for their fight. canelo said he could care less if it was on the line or not, he just wanted cotto. golovkin has stated on multiple occasions he will fight ANYBODY from 154 to 168, so there's absolutely NO excuse for him to not go down and fight canelo. canelo dropped the belt to take away any leverage they had. it's over now. canelo is officially gone from middlweight. now golovkin either shows some heart and moves from his weight class or he has to go back to fighting bums on regular hbo.


when canelo wanted floyd he dropped to 152. when floyd wanted oscar he went up to 154. when b hop wanted oscar he went down to 157. all of those guys made sacrifices to get big fights and they were all MUCH bigger stars than golovkin is now. golovkin and his team better face reality and accept they don't have pull like that. if all those guys made sacrifices to become superstars then golovkin has no excuse not to do the same. how long are we gonna continue to make excuses for this guy?....when he came on the scene he said loud and clear "I WILL FIGHT ANYBODY 154-168"....ward stepped up and he backed down. canelo says 155 and golovkin cries about it. so basically golovkin will fight anybody from 154 to 168 except the best fighters in those divisions. lol. this dude has been coddled and babied by hbo long enough. ran away from ward with his tail between his legs and the media said absolutely nothing. he's the great white hope and they're gonna do whatever it takes to keep his reputation clean.

That is exactly right, good post !

[Chuckguy]

I'm telling you guys the fight is going to happen at Can'tNelo weight and GGG is looking like a hypocrite

[BillyBoxing]

No of course not..... Golovkin should feel obligated to fight Canelo for 3 reasons, and neither of those reasons are the Ward duck.

1) because he spent THREE YEARS parading around stating that he can beat "anyone from 154-168", including as recently as last October

2) because if he walks away from that huge payday/exposure after talking all that ****, he will look like a b1tch, and fans will definitely start to question his ability/status/heart.... many are questioning those things already

3) because he is not a young man and yet after 10+ years as a pro he still has a rookie resume'...... and he is running out of excuses to avoid world-class opponents.

He never said he would fight 154 fighters (anyone from 154 to 168) at 154 except for Floyd, he made it very clear.
You can fight anyone from 154 at 160/158/157.

Regarding the rookie resume.

His main problem is he didn't fight Martinez, Cotto, now Alvarez...
BUT he has been clearly ducked by those three fighters who paid step aside money, fees, vacated...

Of course he ducked Ward ,that fact is plainly obvious.

Props for being the only Golovkin fan who has publicly admitted it.

I never said he ducked Ward, I said, MAYBE.

Obviously he was more eager to fight Froch or Chavez jr at 168 but who can blame him?

Nah, I completely disagree.

1) Immediately prior to the Cotto fight, Canelo said this..... "I have no interest in middleweight"..... all throughout the discussion, Canelo said this..... "all of my future opponents will be at 155". So the WBC should have never sanctioned him as an opponent.

So he shoulda vacated just after the Cotto fight and not parade with this belt and defend it against Kahn.

Dude is not a middleweight but still has the Ring Mag belt of uncle Oscar.
He's ranked number one by boxrec and you know WHY?

Because he has been fighting Trout, Lara, Kahn, Cotto at 155 wich is between 154 and 160 and so MIDDLEWEIGHT.

2) Canelo is clearly not a genuine middleweight, regardless as to the current casual-fan theory..... so who really gives a fk

3) All Team Golovkin said was, and the Golovkin fans echoed it..... drop the belt..... and he did. Now they can negotiate in good faith, knowing that Team Bull**** cannot pull a swifty to force a purse-bid..... and knowing that Team Bull**** can no longer hide behind the "mando doe" excuse.

Canelo has been honest..... but is Golovkin full-of-****, or not ?

Canelo has been hones admitting is ducking, fine.

You're making good points, my problem is you're just ignoring facts in favor of Golovkin.

Yoou really sound as a hater dude, you're smarter than that.

Canelo is a middleweight, he has been fighting in the middleweight waters fro years, his last 5 fights.
Then why fighting at 155?
BECAUSE HE CAN REHYDRATE 20 POUNDS AND FIGHT LIGHTER MEN.

That's their plan, he's still has a Young body and can rehydrate a lot, I get it.
They will put him with the big guys in 2-3 years, just like Nacho stated, they want no parts of GGG.

What kind of fighter ever fought 5 fights at a catchweight in a row??
PLEASE ANSWER.

And then you're roasting "TEAM BULL****"

[aboutfkntime]

He never said he would fight 154 fighters (anyone from 154 to 168) at 154 except for Floyd, he made it very clear.
You can fight anyone from 154 at 160/158/157.

Come on man, that is being dishonest.....

You absolutely know 100%.... when Team Bull**** spent THREE YEARS building up Golovkin's reputation by publicly stating that he can beat "anyone from 154-168"..... that they were talking about fighting guys at their own weight.

Come on, be real..... they said that Gennady could beat any JMW at 154, any MW at 160, and any SMW at 168..... you know that, so come on keep it real.

What the fk sort of accomplishment is dragging the little guys up, and pulling the big guys down?

Why would you brag about something so fkn gay ?

Come on man, Rod Salka could LITERALLY do that.

Regarding the rookie resume.

His main problem is he didn't fight Martinez, Cotto, now Alvarez...
BUT he has been clearly ducked by those three fighters who paid step aside money, fees, vacated...

My friend, you are just making excuses.....

FACT: Golovkin could have fought Ward/Lara/Mora/Canelo, and probably Cotto, by now.....

I never said he ducked Ward, I said, MAYBE.

Obviously he was more eager to fight Froch or Chavez jr at 168 but who can blame him?

He ducked Ward, and you know it..... and look, I know this game and I know styles, so I don't blame him either. It woulda been a dumb move at that point in Gennady's career.

So he shoulda vacated just after the Cotto fight and not parade with this belt and defend it against Kahn.

Dude is not a middleweight but still has the Ring Mag belt of uncle Oscar.

I agree with that.

He's ranked number one by boxrec and you know WHY?

Because he has been fighting Trout, Lara, Kahn, Cotto at 155 wich is between 154 and 160 and so MIDDLEWEIGHT.

No I don't believe that at all, they can't be that ******.

Canelo has been fighting at 155 for at least 2 years now, and I would just about bet my life that they changed Canelo's ranking immediately after the Cotto fight, when red became the lineal MW champ.

Ranking by lineage is absurd, and simply cannot be justified.

The guy has NEVER fought a middleweight opponent, EVER..... AND, he said this....."I have no interest in middleweight" LMAO

Canelo has been hones admitting is ducking, fine.

You're making good points, my problem is you're just ignoring facts in favor of Golovkin.

Yoou really sound as a hater dude, you're smarter than that.

I definitely admit that Canelo ducked Golovkin at 160..... but the only reason why I will admit that is because he did not drop the belt immediately following the Cotto fight..... he waited until mid-negotiation with Golovkin.

Now, did Golovkin duck Canelo at 155 ?

Oh my fk YES, he abso-fkn-lutely ducked the little red kid LMAO

The loud-mouth should have dropped his " anyone from 154-168 " "title" before the red kid called him out.

" you can't have this BIG reputation without getting in there with a real one and backing that thing up..... NOT once, but again, and again, and again....."
~ Andre Ward

" anyone from 154-168 "

Canelo is a middleweight, he has been fighting in the middleweight waters fro years, his last 5 fights.
Then why fighting at 155?
BECAUSE HE CAN REHYDRATE 20 POUNDS AND FIGHT LIGHTER MEN.

That's their plan, he's still has a Young body and can rehydrate a lot, I get it.
They will put him with the big guys in 2-3 years, just like Nacho stated, they want no parts of GGG.

Nah, that is bull****.

We have already had that discussion, let's agree to disagree.

I will not change my opinion on that one, because I know better.

Canelo fights JMW's at 155...... 1lb OVER !!

You can call that heavyweight if you wish, but it will still be 155, 1lb over JMW.

Yes, it's lame, and yes it is unprofessional..... but that does not magically turn him into a middleweight.

Seriously, what middleweight weighs 155 ?

Name one ?

Canelo will be much stronger when he moves to 160.

What kind of fighter ever fought 5 fights at a catchweight in a row??
PLEASE ANSWER.

And then you're roasting "TEAM BULL****"

Pacquiao did much worse.....

You know boxing, so why play numbers games with me ?

We know better, so let's talk boxing, and leave the numbers to the casuals.

As discussed earlier, Canelo is not draining his JMW opponents..... he is giving himself an extra pound that they likely don't benefit from quite as much as he does..... that is all, don't try to make out like it's any worse by quoting numbers, that won't work with me.

And yet Pacquiao, what he did was quite different..... he had 8-9 mostly-consecutive WEIGHT-AFFECTED fights.....

..... what he did was, he dragged the little guys up, and he pulled the big guys down..... he pulled a number of big guys down, and he fought JWW's at 144..... and 144 affectionately became known as "manny-weight".

Pac intentionally disadvantaged his opponents on the scale, whereas fatass Canelo is giving himself a 1lb buffer..... those 2 situations cannot be compared.

I am not suggesting that we hang Pac, OR Golovkin..... just that the golovtards need to get over their creepy man-love and stop being such ignorant shameful hypocrites.

I will cut-n-paste a post from the other thread below.....

[aboutfkntime]

You know, if that's the case, then I can get with that. If they're thinking that their guy is actually going to take a serious beating and not just be beaten. But don't have the guy up in the ring and say we can do it right now, that if he thinks I've got no balls then he can come and have a feel! . . . Just point out that you were only ever in the division for Cotto who himself isn't a middleweight and that GGG is too big. Whether or not people would find that valid is another matter because they're probably not that far off each other weight wise when they step in the ring.

While there are some elements of truth in that, it does not explain why Golovkin will not simply fight Canelo at 155..... or at least negotiate with him.

Golovkin said that he can do it, so what's the big deal ?

Why will nobody hold that guy to his word ?

There is no longer a mandatory " barrier " preventing that fight from happening, even though the mandatory "barrier" wasn't even a real barrier..... because they could have just simply ignored it and fought Canelo anyway.

Why is there always a huge drama, and piles of excuses, whenever the subject of Golovkin fighting a dangerous opponent arises?

Why doesn't he just fight these guys ?

The way I worded the post may have given the impression that I was trying to absolve Canelo of any blame. That wasn't my intention. Ultimately it's for him to make the decision but all boxers are swayed by what their advisors tell them because ultimately they're the ones that guide the boxers career.

Then why is it hard to understand that Team Bull**** are doing the EXACT same thing with Gennady?..... especially after reading an admission (confession).....

"When Tom came to me and offered Lara and Sergio Mora, I'm the one who said 'I don't want those fights.' I'm the one who said that before there was a chance to have it discussed with Gennady. I told that to Tom.....".

Come on man, did you really believe all that hogwash they said about Ward?

It really it obvious whats up, Golovkin is the most well-managed fighter on the market today.

I am not saying that they are doing it, and that nobody else is..... just asking Golovkin fans to attempt to get their creepy man-love under control and keep it 100% real.

From the off my main concern about Alvarez is that I thought that he lacked punching power for a guy of his build. That that was the one thing missing that could potentially stop him being on another level. I see the catch weights as a concerted effort to make him look more of an exciting puncher and thus more marketable. For me that decision has originated with De La Hoya.

Nah, 155 is simply easier for Canelo to make than 154.

Canelo does not drain his JMW opponents, he gives himself an extra pound leeway that his JMW opponents likely do not benefit from quite as much as he does.

It is lame and unprofessional, no question.... but he is not pulling the little guys up, and pulling the big guys down..... like Pac/Golovkin did.

You are right about Canelo, but it is blatantly obvious that what I am saying about Golovkin is correct as well.

But as usual..... one guy is under the microscope, and the other guy gets a free pass..... just like Pacquiao/Mayweather.

I agree with your last point. If they had any intention of fighting Golovkin then they wouldn't have chosen Khan for the interim bout. They would have prepared for the mandatory by fighting a 160lb fighter at 160lb.

Absolutely !

Problem is, that was PLAINLY obvious the second that fight was announced.

I seem to recall me being the only one who pointed out that obvious fact..... and, I am more than willing to dig up that thread to prove it.

NO point in even mentioning it now.

Also..... Canelo stated many times AFTER the Khan fight was announced, that - rightly-or-wrongly - all of his future opponents will be at 155..... so yea, it really was obvious.

Forget middleweight, because that is no longer an issue..... name 1 good reason why Golovkin shouldn't be cutting off one of his fingers to land a Canelo fight? That would be an unbelievable payday, and incredible exposure.

[aboutfkntime]

You really sound as a hater dude, you're smarter than that.

Come on Billy, you know I'm not hating, and so does everyone else.

My points are more than valid.

I admitted that Canelo is unprofessional, and I admitted that he ducked Golovkin at 160..... and you know that what I have stated is accurate.

I am not " picking on Golovkin ", or choosing to look at this situation from only one point-of-view..... and I have considered the BIG picture.... e.g. Golovkin's entire story/career, not just this one issue.

Come on man, calling me a hater is like calling Canelo a middleweight..... both might be fun, but neither are true.

peace