Comments Thread For: Golovkin, K2 Promotions Still Plan To Negotiate Canelo Fight

[ssc73]

K2 is saying weight wasn't an issue. But yea 45% is nuts for GGG.

I just don't get why they wouldn't talk til the purse bid to try to make this fight with the belt intact. Dropping the belt looks bad already + will look even worse if this fight don't get made next.

This is actually the key point.......if Canelo is as willing and confident vs GGG at 160 as he said after Khan and in the post presser, he believes he'll walk out of the ring with the belt. But if they don't get the fight done, it will look bad for Canelo with his own fans.....

Everyone that bags on GGG for a low PPV really isn't paying much attention. It wasn't as if Lemeiux was perceived as a real threat nor did he have the star power of Cotto to add to the bill. Canelo needs a legit opponent to do big numbers too.......his fight with Khan wasn't exactly a smashing success compared to Canelo v Cotto......and he's out of smaller guys with real drawing power so.... to do significant $$, this fight should get made.

If Canelo believes in himself and believes he can beat the MW champion straight up, it doesn't matter who has the belt, just who leaves the ring with it. They just basically avoided the purse split of 55/45......but to do 1 MIL+ buys, Canelo still needs GGG.......unless Floyd or Manny decide to fight him....both of which he'd probably lose although less painfully...

But if he truly stands by his post-fight confidence, they'll get this done around 60/40 at 160......70/30 is too low.....GGG fighting nobody's albeit mandatories, gets the same rankings on HBO as Canelo so assuming GGG has no leverage just isn't correct.......

60/40 for Canelo is fair. It can also be his "official" move to MW......there's value in that even if he gets beat by GGG.

With that split, Canelo will end up with a guarantee around 15 MIL and GGG around 11 MIL plus a part of the ppv......and I think it will be for all three major belts and do around 1.5 MIL buys.......neither can make that kind of purse or those ppv numbers without going at or below 154 AND ONLY IF....Floyd or Pac is interested in Canelo at around 152-154, (neither are interested in GGG.)

Problem is, Floyd won't do HBO and Canelo going after an even smaller guy?? Won't look good.......so realistically, they are still each others best possible opponent.

I think GGG wants the big money fight and will take a 40/60....he might even agree to 158.....but he's not gonna give much more than that.

Canelo should offer exactly that and he could get a rematch clause if he wants one. I believe he thinks he can beat GGG and based on his comments and the good reputation he's building, he really should make this fight happen.....

But if he doesn't fight GGG whatever the reason, he will have to save face with his fans and for his own pride by fighting a real MW at 160.....I'm betting Saunders would be much more interested in fighting Canelo than GGG.....?? Then he'd have that 4th major title GGG wants too...

But if that happens, he still has to fight GGG eventually.....let's be real....the dude is a beast and for real, not hype. If you know boxing you can see that.....and Canelo has too much pride to wait it out too long like Floyd did vs Pac and a fanbase that won't put up with avoiding GGG for long.

I think the fight gets made. I think GGG wins by KO.......but if it's made this year, Canelo won't be hurt by the loss at all because he will hang tough as long as it lasts......no shame in that. Hell....he could win if he can steal a few rounds and steal a decision. He did get one even card vs Floyd and some of his wins were MUCH closer than cards-most think he's gotten away with at least a couple- so judges clearly favor him......

I just believe GGG is better in every category and Canelo surviving, much less winning is not likely.....

Canelo will take a hit if he avoids the fight outright and an even bigger hit if he fights another WW.....

Hope it happens. Hope the move is just to get the business rolling.

But..... If the negotiations are reasonable and Canelo won't take the fight or tries to force 155 after all the **** he talked?? Or even worse, gets another name to move up to his weight?? He'll take a big hit career-wise that he won't fully recover from until he fights GGG.....

So why not now? Canelo "doesn't frock around", right??

This is simple for GGG....if the fight falls apart, Canelo will be the one that looks bad. GGG can try to get Saunders or Jacobs to completely unify.

Eventually GBP and Canelo will figure out they really do need GGG to get the ppv numbers they are looking for. He does have legit opponents at 154 in Lara, Charlo bros, Andrade, etc., but none with anywhere near the buzz of GGG. Plus, they play for Al Haymon. Tough pill for Oscar to swallow especially to split at a max of 300k buys??

Lemieux maybe??........But they still max at 250-300k buys and will lose leverage and the Mexican fans patience the longer they wait......and the worse Canelo will look...

GGG vs Canelo happens. I believe both fighters truly want it to happen. Don't think Canelo is scared.

But if it doesn't happen, at least by 5/2017? Canelo will inherit a nickname his mentor and promoter once had......and by then it will be well deserved. And hard to shake if he doesn't back his tough-guy words and fight GGG.

"Chicken Canelo" anyone?? Lol.....

I'd prefer GBP "not frock around" and do it this Sept 17.

[Daddy T]

**** it GGG should just move on ... try and land a fight with saunders again, BJS ain't keen but probably got more balls than canelo

[LaidOut]

**** it GGG should just move on ... try and land a fight with saunders again, BJS ain't keen but probably got more balls than canelo

Agree with this. Show Canelo that he can be the A-side all he wants, but he'll have to do it at his 155 Caneloweight division.

[PolitikDitto]

C'mon about, let's "keep it real"

Canelo just burnt not GGG's excuse but his OWN DUTY to fight GGG.

"but they asked 164 for Ward, so he has to make 155 for Pelirojo doe". Does it really make sense? That's not an argument.

So maybe GGG ducked Ward, but it doesn't give a pass AT ALL to Ginger Boy to duck GGG in return.

Man, you're defending a guy who pulled a Bowe.
And fck that I'm not a 160 pounder, "I'm too small", the guy weight 175 on fight night and hadn't been at 154 for 5 fights.

Dropping a belt is a ducking when you are supposed to fight your mando.

you're talking as if canelo had been at middleweight for years. he won the belt only cause cotto wanted it on the line for their fight. canelo said he could care less if it was on the line or not, he just wanted cotto. golovkin has stated on multiple occasions he will fight ANYBODY from 154 to 168, so there's absolutely NO excuse for him to not go down and fight canelo. canelo dropped the belt to take away any leverage they had. it's over now. canelo is officially gone from middlweight. now golovkin either shows some heart and moves from his weight class or he has to go back to fighting bums on regular hbo.


when canelo wanted floyd he dropped to 152. when floyd wanted oscar he went up to 154. when b hop wanted oscar he went down to 157. all of those guys made sacrifices to get big fights and they were all MUCH bigger stars than golovkin is now. golovkin and his team better face reality and accept they don't have pull like that. if all those guys made sacrifices to become superstars then golovkin has no excuse not to do the same. how long are we gonna continue to make excuses for this guy?....when he came on the scene he said loud and clear "I WILL FIGHT ANYBODY 154-168"....ward stepped up and he backed down. canelo says 155 and golovkin cries about it. so basically golovkin will fight anybody from 154 to 168 except the best fighters in those divisions. lol. this dude has been coddled and babied by hbo long enough. ran away from ward with his tail between his legs and the media said absolutely nothing. he's the great white hope and they're gonna do whatever it takes to keep his reputation clean.

[Daddy T]

While some people may think Canelo has strengthened his position by not having the belt hanging over him I actually think he has weakened it -- at least in the eye of the paying public ... if the fight doesn't get made now the word will be Canelo ducked GGG ... no matter what is offered in the negotiations after this ... he will be remembered for being stripped for ducking his mandatory.

GGG can imo say we'll give your 60-40, but it's at 160 ... you can accept or you can be branded a coward who gave up his belt to avoid me.

Don't compare Canelo to Floyd ... it's not the same, what worked for floyd will not necessarily work for Canelo

[MDPopescu]

**** it GGG should just move on ... try and land a fight with saunders again, BJS ain't keen but probably got more balls than canelo

That's what Loeffler was quoted by The ring as saying on Wednesday. "I think the fight will definitely happen — it’s just a question of when"(...) "So we’re going to work toward that. Again, I don’t think (vacating the title) diminishes the value of the fight at all. If we can make the fight now, we’ll do it. If we can’t, then we’ll make it as soon as possible."

... "as soon as possible" means that they are moving on...

[Nomadic]

makes perfect sense from Canelo's stand point..with the belt he could not force the fight at 155, without the belt its 155 or no fight

Exactly, now he is about to show ggg who the "A" side is and who is going to be the "B"itch side.

[panyck]

That Canelo dropped the belt is not a good sign.
The belt was an extra bargaining chip to them. The fact they dropped it tells you they don't want to seriously negotiate

[Jsmooth9876]

65-35 split and a 157-158 weight and this fight should happen.
Canelo dropped the belt so the fight didn't have to take place at 160.

And LMAO at his excuse of the time deadline. Like the WBC wouldn't give them an extension of 15-30 days extra if they asked knowing they were in negotiations. These fking corrupt organizations will do anything to keep that big money coming in from the fees they get on the mega fights.

[ssc73]

you're talking as if canelo had been at middleweight for years. he won the belt only cause cotto wanted it on the line for their fight. canelo said he could care less if it was ý the line or not, he just wanted cotto. golovkin has stated on multiple occasions he will fight ANYBODY from 154 to 168, so there's absolutely NO excuse for him to not go down and fight canelo. canelo dropped the belt to take away any leverage they had. it's over now. canelo is officially gone from middlweight. now golovkin either shows some heart and moves from his weight class or he has to go back to fighting bums on regular hbo.


when canelo wanted floyd he dropped to 152. when floyd wanted oscar he went up to 154. when b hop wanted oscar he went down to 157. all of those guys made sacrifices to get big fights and they were all MUCH bigger stars than golovkin is now. golovkin and his team better face reality and accept they don't have pull like that. if all those guys made sacrifices to become superstars then golovkin has no excuse not to do the same. how long are we gonna continue to make excuses for this guy?....when he came on the scene he said loud and clear "I WILL FIGHT ANYBODY 154-168"....ward stepped up and he backed down. canelo says 155 and golovkin cries about it. so basically golovkin will fight anybody from 154 to 168 except the best fighters in those divisions. lol. this dude has been coddled and babied by hbo long enough. ran away from ward with his tail between his legs and the media said absolutely nothing. he's the great white hope and they're gonna do whatever it takes to keep his reputation clean.

First, if the bold above were true, why did Cotto not pay the sanctioning fees but Canelo did? That sounds more like he didn't want to fight GGG next and building an early excuse....

As for the "anyone from 154-168"BS? That was his trainer and promoter hyping their fighter after a coupe fights....and it's been awhile....

GGG says something totally different and has specific goals. He's never said different.....I will try to find a link to an interview in his own language you should see but it's been quite a while......but:

1-When he was asked about 154, he said very clearly he'd do that for only one fighter and only to be fair and meet in the middle.....no titles at stake, and the only fight worth the cut for him was Mayweather. Not Manny........but he also said he knew it wasn't very realistic and fight expect it to happen. That was even before Mayweather vs Pac....

2-168 he said was only for $$ fights against guys he could beat without adding muscle weight. Froch and Chavez Jr he felt he could beat weighing under the 168 limit, make a good $$ fight and still get back to 160 to unify.

As for Ward, he was very honest and very clearly explained that Ward's skill level was something else completely, it wouldn't be an easy fight, wouldn't be as big $$-wise as the other two and he didn't want to leave MW yet. But that he would have fought Ward now at 164.... If not, hopefully after his mw goals were accomplished. That was before the Lemieux fight was even announced.....

I don't like any catch weights with titles involved. So I was on Ward's side of that argument...... but after I heard it translated and explained in his own language, it made much more sense.

Not that he should get a complete pass for not fighting Ward at the full 168 while Ward was there...... but he wasn't looking for the smw titles, just for a big fight which he wasn't getting at 160. So I at least understand why he wouldn't.

As for Canelo? He stopped weighing in on fight night his last few fights......why would that be if he's not a full mw??

Because before the "Canelo-weight" became a running joke, he was averaging 174 on fight night. GGG? 172. So on fight night he's already 2 pounds heavier than GGG.....

If Canelo is so much better and Golovkin is such a bum, why worry about 155 or 160? Canelo will outweigh him fight night either way. It would only be too weaken GGG because he poses a real threat and he'd actually have to fight a guy truly close to his own size....SMH.....why is that a problem?

Just because he's younger and he can cut more weight and then rehydrate 20+ pounds, should he if he's so much more skilled?

You seem pretty worried about this being a fair fight?? Why?

And I've seen you try and suggest PED use by Golovkin......he's been using VADA since he fought Lemieux.....??

Where's the problem? Unless you're so lacking in confidence for Canelo you only want to see him fight guys like Khan, Cotto, Kirkland?? Guys that are "chinny" and that he has a significant weight and strength advantage on to the point it's dangerous.....even Canelo was worried last time.

You know Canelo is a full MW.....you can talk all the shyte you want and cry about the weight......but it's a weak excuse now and has been for at least the last two years....

Time for your boy to nut up and fight guys his own size. GGG vs Canelo is the biggest fight that can be made with current active fighters. It will do more money than any other fight Canelo can get too. It takes both to do it. Nobody should have unfair advantages......

How about Canelo vs Spence at 150? It's just five pounds, right?

Come on bro....and all Canelo fans....if the kid is that good and Golovkin a fraud, why worry about a fair fight at 160?

Saying anything else is weak or an excuse. Let him back up his badass interview after he knocked out a WW with chin problems who was outboxing him up to that point.

Or would you rather be was a hypocrite??