Why Max Kellerman is Wrong On Mayweather Pacquiao Pound For Pound

[Spoon23]

Pound for pound is based strictly on personal opinion so there really are no right or wrong answers, just different opinions. I agree with you that Mayweather should rate a bit over Pacquiao. Mayweather never lost a fight while Pacquiao lost several times. I don't see what difference it makes what weight they turned pro at. Both of them ended up welterweights although I think Mayweather is naturally about 6 or 7 pounds bigger than Pacquiao. Mayweather is older but when they fought Mayweather won a clear ud. They had a common opponent in Marquez who was easily defeated by Mayweather but gave Pacquiao lots of trouble and knocked him out in their 4th fight. All things considered I give Mayweather the edge. Mayweather had an advantage in the beginning because Mayweather always had good nutrition and proper training and a great trainer while Pacquiao did not.

It's not just about going up. It's about going up and challenging themselves for stiffer harder competition and accumulating lineal titles along the way.

Staying in a division you already conquered and won a lineal title to for years isn't what greatness is about. That's more like being stagnant. That's not challenging oneself. If you have outgrown the competition in that division and conquered it, obviously you need to go up and reach the limit of your capability. Pac tested fate and conquered 8 divisions and 5 lineal. He tested himself over and over.

To put in perspective if Floyd wants to be as great as Pac. He needs to fight GGG on his divisions and then go up another division higher than GGGs.

That's just the measure of a man's greatness. He conquered what was a threat to him at the time doing it over and over for years while climbing higher weights.

# legendary

[Zaroku]

Marquez crushing PAC with that monster right hand is legendary! Floyd fought damaged goods. PAC is not as good, that is obvious, but take fought in a more reckless style, which fans like. Until he got KTFO with that exciting style.

Few could push Floyd to stand and deliver. Castillo, Maidana, they did, others couldn't. Bad match up for manny! Bad for Marquez too! I thought Canelo would do better, but even PAC did better, slightly!

I guess those pott shots hurt enough to deter.

Master Boxer.

[Left Hook Tua]

Not really impressed with Barrera 2.

Barrera 1 obviously no need to explain.

The Marquez bouts were all great but IMO he's 0-3-1 in those. Obviously Pac arguably won 3 of the 4 himself so can't knock it.

Morales 2 I'm also not that impressed by.

Definitely looks better on paper, IMO the only two elite wins out of those fights are Barrera 1 and Marquez 2. But that's JMO.

barrera 2 was an excellent win. Fact is barrera gave jmm all he can handle the fight before. So can't say barrera was no longer good.

[b00g13man]

It's a pretty dumb opinion, but not one worth discussing.

[Spoon23]

It's a pretty dumb opinion, but not one worth discussing.

Since he sides with Pac. Max must be a Pac - T a r d aye hehehe

[Reloaded]

barrera 2 was an excellent win. Fact is barrera gave jmm all he can handle the fight before. So can't say barrera was no longer good.

Floyd would destroy Barrera , Jnr Jones is no Mayweather and he beat him easy , at 130 Floyd easily beats any of those guys , the funny thing with all this is Floyd could beat Mannys entire resume under the very same conditions , Manny could not beat all of Floyd resume under the same conditions .

154 Cotto Oscar and Canelo all beat Manny no problems at all .

If you dissect every one of Mannys fights from Diaz on its all match making and weight manipulation , all of it , like Teddy said his resume is man made to order .

[Real King Kong]

It's not just about going up. It's about going up and challenging themselves for stiffer harder competition and accumulating lineal titles along the way.

Staying in a division you already conquered and won a lineal title to for years isn't what greatness is about. That's more like being stagnant. That's not challenging oneself. If you have outgrown the competition in that division and conquered it, obviously you need to go up and reach the limit of your capability. Pac tested fate and conquered 8 divisions and 5 lineal. He tested himself over and over.

To put in perspective if Floyd wants to be as great as Pac. He needs to fight GGG on his divisions and then go up another division higher than GGGs.

That's just the measure of a man's greatness. He conquered what was a threat to him at the time doing it over and over for years while climbing higher weights.

# legendary

It's funny how your criteria for greatness just happens to align with what you think pac did. Fighters generally move up cuz they can't make the weight anymore, or for a lucrative fight, or because they think they can grab a belt in a relatively weak division . If it was the 80s ww division...i doubt floyd or pac would have moved up. To say pac 'conquered' 8 divisions is ridiculous. The 8th wasn't even fought at the division limit and was for a paper title. Pac cherrypicked a belt at 135...it was marquez who moved up and conquered that division.

[IronDanHamza]

barrera 2 was an excellent win. Fact is barrera gave jmm all he can handle the fight before. So can't say barrera was no longer good.

Meh, well well passed it by that point.

[hugh grant]

Funny thread there is no right or wrong.
If holyfiekd was asbig as ali he would beat Ali?. If holyfiekds resume wasbetter than Ali he would probablky be greater.
Ali is greater heavyweight.
Considering pac has better resume than Floyd as well

[Left Hook Tua]

Floyd would destroy Barrera , Jnr Jones is no Mayweather and he beat him easy , at 130 Floyd easily beats any of those guys , the funny thing with all this is Floyd could beat Mannys entire resume under the very same conditions , Manny could not beat all of Floyd resume under the same conditions .

154 Cotto Oscar and Canelo all beat Manny no problems at all .

If you dissect every one of Mannys fights from Diaz on its all match making and weight manipulation , all of it , like Teddy said his resume is man made to order .

great. Floyd would have beat them.

But he didn't so it dont count right?

Maybe 154 Oscar or Canelo could, maybe beat pac.

But no version of cotto beats pac. Cotto is a slightly above average fighter.

You wanna talk about a promotion hypejob? Cherry-picked career?

That's cotto.