Comments Thread For: Garcia: If Golovkin Will Face Floyd at 154, Then Face Canelo at 155

[hugh grant]

Nelo said GGG only wins cos he's fought bums his whole career. So why foes nelo need a cw to beat a guy who dines on bums?
Why is it the only way nelo can win is with a cw?

[Shadoww702]

Nelo said GGG only wins cos he's fought bums his whole career. So why foes nelo need a cw to beat a guy who dines on bums?
Why is it the only way nelo can win is with a cw?

Because one started out as a Lightweight and the other was born a Middleweight...

[aboutfkntime]

Nelo said GGG only wins cos he's fought bums his whole career. So why foes nelo need a cw to beat a guy who dines on bums?
Why is it the only way nelo can win is with a cw?

When Canelo stated that Golovkin dines on bums, he wasn't saying that Gennady can't fight..... he was saying that Gennady has very little pull during negotiations because he never fought a top opponent.

Is fighting at 160, the only way that Golovkin can beat Canelo ?

What happened to that " anyone from 154-168 " crap ?

[KnickTillDeaTh]

GGG should not go 1 pound under 157, I said it for Cotto who is smaller than Canelo, but since Canelo wants to act like he's a welter weight fighting two divisions up, well then 157 works for all parties. People forget that GGG said he would fight Canelo at a catch weight, but not as a mando. So basically GGG would have Canelo stripped, then would fight Canelo for the belt, the difference being that GGG would be the WBC champion. The fight would still be for the belt because per WBC rules, a champion cannot fight in the division he's champion in with out defending the belt. So theres that.

[Larry the boss]

Danny needs to focus on Berto.

Danny???????

[Progrssive_Jedi]

lol no one understands boxing better then the GGG fans, they know best!

And if you include the many professional boxing scribes that make up part of that GGG fan base, then yes, they do know best.

Of course, you think you're the expert. Not the slew of former fighters, champions, HOF, etc. who repeatedly says GGG is the real deal, nope what do they know.

It's you who we all should listen to. Because you're so ****ing enlightened.

Now, come on, start throwing childish insults my way.

Because one started out as a Lightweight and the other was born a Middleweight...

You don't even know your history of these two fighters. Canelo was 15 when he started professionally fighting. Of course he was lighter weights. But the Adult Canelo who was fighting real comp has always been a 154 fighter who dragged up smaller guys.

GGG started professionally much later, but at 19 in Amatuers he was a WW at 19. And he was a JRMW fighting at MW most of his career.

Even now GGG is a smaller MW. But at the same ages, both GGG and Canelo fought lower than they do now.

Mexico allowed for Canelo to go professional at young age. GGG didn't have that opportunity, but in Ams he started as a WW.

[techliam]

Obviously a Mayweather fight is much bigger than a Canelo fight - May/GGG would sell like crazy just because Floyd would be close to, if not an underdog there.

But Golovkin should be more willing to negotiate on weight. He has WBC leverage, but that only secures a belt, not a payday. 60/40 for Canelo, at 157lb seems more than fair..

[BillyBoxing]

Golovkin would go up to 168 to face Froch, Chavez Jr, James Degale, and Gilberto Ramirez.

But for Ward it had to be 164 or no fight.

That didn't go unnoticed and I won't forget.

U musta forgot (shout out to Jones jr) this one:

http://www.boxingscene.com/andre-war...ght-you--63365

Ward called out Floyd at 160.

So following the *****/pro Alvarez/anti GGG logic, he could fight Floyd at 160, he can fight GGG at 164 wait....161 to be accurate.

THREAD CLOSED

[kafkod]

Again, that's not the point.

The point is, GGG said "I will fight ANYONE from 154 to 168"

That should include:

Ward at 168 (rejected, asked for 164, obviously Ward didn't accept)
Canelo at 155 (rejected for the moment, asking 160, Canelo doesn't want to budge)

This is about GGG being a liar and a hypocrite. That's it. I KNOW, EVERYBODY KNOWS that the REAL Middleweight weight limit is 160 and Canelo is bending the rules in his favor BUT THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE HERE. The issue is that GGG's word has no value, so why should Canelo honor the requests (even if fair) of a person who can't stand by his word?

You are either looking for reasons to **** on Golovkin or being incredibly naive and simplistic.

There has never been a boxer, in the whole history of the sport, who would literally fight anybody within 3 divisions, at whatever weight they told him they wanted, with no negotiations and no questions asked.

Has Golovkin ever said "I will fight anybody between 154 and 168, at whatever weight they tell me to fight them at, with no negotiations no questions asked"?

The answer is NO he has never said that, and neither has Abel Sanchez.

Get real, ffs.

164 is between 154 and 168. If Ward wanted to fight Golovkin so much, why couldn't he either accept "50/50 money and weight" or offer GGG more than 50% of the purse in return for moving all the way up to 168 for him?

160 is also between 154 and 168 and just happens to be the weight limit for the MW division, which is where GGG is mandatory challenger for Canelo's WBC title.

[PunchyPotorff]

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Originally Posted by PunchyPotorff View Post
You may wanna read the actual article before commenting FNO. Robert Garcia CLEARLY said he isn't for CWs himself. His point is, why pizz away $5-10 mil over this? Floydie, Cotto, Pacman etc., all A-sides, have had CW stipulations before. And like he said, Canelo is the top draw in boxing currently, so he, not GGG, can make the rules. It's a business first and foremost. GGG needs to just shut up, suck it up, and obey the rules if he wants his biggest career paycheck by far.

So you're siding with a team making a decision to go for 'principle' instead of a $5-10 mil paycheck? Because that's the range of pay GGG would make if he just shut up and agreed with the demand from the A-side guy Canelo.

Floyd and Manny never asked for catchweights in mandatory defenses, and they never had catchweights against guys that were the same size as them.
Secondly, Floyd Mayweather never once demanded a catchweight in his career. Both times he had a catchweights, it was the opposition that wanted the cw. Marquezz callled Floyd out and then asked for a catchweight, Canelo and team offered Floyd a 150 cw (same weight Canelo won his title) and guess what, Floyd said nah, you aint gotta go that far, 152 is ayt, and then he himself only weighed 150 on fight night.
There is no comparison between those guys and a guy who has been ducking two divisions (154 and 160) to hide at 155 for three years now, a guy who has had more than five catchweights already in his career.
No comparison whatsoever. It is disgraceful that you even try to make that comparison.

Who are you trying to prove your point to? Me? All I'm doing is relaying Robert Garcia's points, which are dead on. I don't have an opinion on CW or no CW, other than GGG needs to wise up and sign for the fight. Or be ****** and blow off a huge payday. You can talk to yourself all you want, cuz I'm not interested in your rationale. Why? Because that isn't the point. If you (or anyone) wants Canelo/GGG, the only opinion that counts is Canelo's. Again, he's the boss, the A side. HE makes the rules. Just like Floydie has made rules (up as he goes along) on everything imaginable... along with many others. The boss makes the rules. The fighter wanting the big payday does what the boss says. It's 'disgraceful' that your head is too thick to soak up that reality.