Comments Thread For: Garcia: If Golovkin Will Face Floyd at 154, Then Face Canelo at 155

[bug0092]

Saying 164 or no fight for Ward (while being willing to go up to the full 168 for everyone else because they bring more money) is the epitome of playing the A-side card.

Giving other guys 168 is realizing and acknowledging you're B-side because they bring the draw and the PPV money. Meeting in the middle is neither A nor B. And considering Ward hadn't done anything in a ring in years while GGG's filling arenas on both coasts, I'd say the middle is beyond what Ward deserved at the time.

As for 164, the offer was essentially giving Ward the middle finger because he didn't do **** to make the fight happen and talked **** about GGG making excuses when it was clear Ward was the one who wasn't ready to fight. Here's GGG quoted from the interview in June last year...

"Hey, Ward, wake up! Why are you talking trash about other people? Speak for yourself. If you're trying to make a name for yourself by mentioning me to build up your own fight, then be a man about it and tell the truth. At our meeting with HBO they asked us whether we are ready to box. You know our answers - I said yes, you said no. You said something about your shoulder or promoter - I'm not interested in the reason, I only heard your "no." But you remember that HBO said then that they would need a long time to build-up the fight. Then what the **** are you talking about excuses?"

"If you do provocative attacks, do not even think that Loeffler [Gennady's K2 promoter] will buy into them. You haven't been interesting to anyone for a long time, so he will no longer engage in the promotion of your name. Go and build your own image. Although everyone already knows what you are, and because of this, they do not go to your fights."

"You shouldn't worry about who I'm going to box or have boxed. You, like the rest, were lucky with the "Super Six" tournament because you got your opponents by contract. And who are you fighting now? The fourth-fifth ranked fighters in England...If I say that I'm ready to box any middleweight and ready to rise to 168 for a big fight, then I am responsible for the words. And I have nothing left to discuss with you. As a man, you are dead to me."

(Loeffler throws out the meet-in-the middle idea in an email interview with Dan R a few weeks later.)

Put it together folks...The quote above is from the horse's mouth in his native tongue. No need to try and read body language or interpret the rhetoric of promoters and trainers. There's nothing vague about it. GGG thinks Ward's a piece of **** and didn't deserve the fight. Ward then sends a lousy offer to GGG after he's already signed on for the Lemieux PPV. GGG immediately rejects it and of course Ward runs to the press with "36 minutes" and emails which he threatens to show but never does.

[aboutfkntime]

I think still wise Golovkin is all wrong for Floyd.

He has a good jab, good at cutting off the ring, good right hand over the top, good body punching.
I also think Floyd would be totally outgunned by GGG, too much difference of punching power between the 2 fighters to make it a competitive fight.
Floyd's punches wouldn't affect GGG that much, would be like a cat chasing a mouse in a ring.

I'm confident he would beat Floyd by KO at 160, but wouldn't be a fair fight since Floyd is a WW, and not a big one.

At 154 it's more intriguing, GGG would be probably well weakened.
I guess Floyd would outbox a slow and tired GGG.

My point is Floyd beating Nelo yesterday and probably today doesn't mean he's a tougher fight than Nelo for GGG.
Nelo fights flat footed and can't cut off the ring well wich is OK for Floyd.

Unlike Floyd, Nelo's frame and chin would be able to withstand GGG's power, I also think he would be able to earn GGG's respect with his power, unlike Floyd AGAIN.

Style make fights and Nelo has grown up.

Nelo would be a tougher fight at 160 for GGG.

But Billy, what you just said is..... that Golovkin will consider 154 for little feather-fisted Floyd, because he thinks he can win..... but Golovkin will not consider a catchweight 1lb HIGHER for Canelo, because that fight is much more dangerous.

I don't see no avoided killer here.

Golovkin is taking the easy fights, and he is avoiding the risky fights..... just like he did at 168.

[Sledgeweather17]

You may wanna read the actual article before commenting FNO. Robert Garcia CLEARLY said he isn't for CWs himself. His point is, why pizz away $5-10 mil over this? Floydie, Cotto, Pacman etc., all A-sides, have had CW stipulations before. And like he said, Canelo is the top draw in boxing currently, so he, not GGG, can make the rules. It's a business first and foremost. GGG needs to just shut up, suck it up, and obey the rules if he wants his biggest career paycheck by far.



So you're siding with a team making a decision to go for 'principle' instead of a $5-10 mil paycheck? Because that's the range of pay GGG would make if he just shut up and agreed with the demand from the A-side guy Canelo.

Floyd and Manny never asked for catchweights in mandatory defenses, and they never had catchweights against guys that were the same size as them.

Secondly, Floyd Mayweather never once demanded a catchweight in his career. Both times he had a catchweights, it was the opposition that wanted the cw. Marquezz callled Floyd out and then asked for a catchweight, Canelo and team offered Floyd a 150 cw (same weight Canelo won his title) and guess what, Floyd said nah, you aint gotta go that far, 152 is ayt, and then he himself only weighed 150 on fight night.

There is no comparison between those guys and a guy who has been ducking two divisions (154 and 160) to hide at 155 for three years now, a guy who has had more than five catchweights already in his career.

No comparison whatsoever. It is disgraceful that you even try to make that comparison.

[aboutfkntime]

If GGG asked ward for 161 people would assume GGG didn't really want it and was having a laugh. Shows the bias against GGG.

Are you kidding? When Golovkin demanded 164, he flatly admitted that he wanted nothing to do with Andre Ward.

GGG said 168 for froich so that's helping froch out. He said 154 for Floyd to help Floyd out even though most want fkloyd to test himself for 6 th title . GGG knows Floyd wiont fight him otherwise. So its always GGG trying to be best friends with everyone, yet froch didn't want GGG after all and neither does Floyd.

GGG don't need 155 for nelo as GGG is hoping nelo comes too his senses.

You are a fruit-loop Hugh.

In fact, you are the exact same fruit-loop who spent 5 years defending manny-weight..... and now you say, that Golovkin is just trying to help people out

[aboutfkntime]

That 90-10 split was actually started by Sanchez to Andre Ward. That a fair split would be 90-10. And that Ward is the B-side, can't sale out a stadium. Has no right to demand anything.

Notice all those things team GGG said to Ward. Oscar is repeating back to him?

A-Side, B-Side, Catch-weight, doesn't sale PPV's. Never fought anyone ( Same thing as Ward who has he fought lately, he's retired).

I don't know if it's by accident or most likely NOT but there almost saying word-for-word what Sanchez/Loeffler said about Ward...

It's pretty comical IMO. Just goes show be careful what you say cause it could come back to haunt you...

Actually you're right, I remember that. Good point.

And yea, Golovkin is getting his smug little face wiped in his own mess.

The double-standards and hypocrisy from that team is comical.

[aboutfkntime]

You cried about fair fights for five years. How come that doesnt matter to you now?

You defended manny-weight for 5 years.

So how come you are flip-flopping now ?

[Jsmooth9876]

Boxing is not a maths game, I think you missed the point.

IF Golovkin can make 154 for Mayweather, then he can make 154, period.

So..... why not 155 for Canelo ?

Why make an excuse to kill that fight, instead of removing an excuse to make it happen?

We get that Golovkin doesn't want to, but why not ?

Because he doesn't have to ?

What the fk kind of reason is that not to fight ?

If Golovkin " doesn't have to "..... it is because he has an easier alternative that he would prefer to take.

Seriously? If you can't see the difference then I don't know what to tell you...
One guy fights at 147 and allegedly comes in like 151-152.. The other is the middleweight champ and has his own weight divison at 155 and comes in at 172+ which is the same or higher than GGG...

One is an ATG who if you beat you would go down in the record books...the other is a good fighter who already got schooled by that ATG...

Two different situations altogether...

[aboutfkntime]

But he has a built in excuse because Canelo is holding a middleweight belt (ironically, a belt obtained from a 154 guy). If there is a title fight I'd prefer for it to be at 160, because then there are no excuses for the loser, and more importantly the loser's fan base.

What I see happening is Alvarez being stripped for refusing to fight at 160, and then he and Golovkin fighting at a catchweight anyway. If Golovkin loses his only bargaining chip for a fight at 160, he still won't pass up the paycheck after it isn't there anymore. $10M paychecks aren't growing on trees in the boxing world after all, so expect a big drama show at 155.

Nah, I simply don't believe that..... it doesn't make any sense.

You need to remember, Team Bull**** don't give a flying fat fk about the integrity of boxing...... they are demanding 160 because they want an advantage.

If Cotto had won, they were willing to fight him at 157.

If they thought they could beat Canelo, they would simply fight him.

[aboutfkntime]

Seriously? If you can't see the difference then I don't know what to tell you...
One guy fights at 147 and allegedly comes in like 151-152.. The other is the middleweight champ and has his own weight divison at 155 and comes in at 172+ which is the same or higher than GGG...

One is an ATG who if you beat you would go down in the record books...the other is a good fighter who already got schooled by that ATG...

Two different situations altogether...

WHO FKN CARES ?

Can he make 154, or not ?

If you can make 154, then you can make 154..... LMAO

You just co-signed an excuse for Hypekin to take the "easy" fight, and yet avoid the "hard" fight..... 1lb HIGHER..... and you know it LMAO

[texasboi15]

GGG said 168 for froch so that's helping froch out. He said 154 for Floyd to help Floyd out even though most want floyd to test himself for 6th title. So its always GGG trying to be best friends with everyone

People are being unfair and bullying GGG.

You are a fruit-loop Hugh.

In fact, you are the exact same fruit-loop who spent 5 years defending manny-weight..... and now you say, that Golovkin is just trying to help people out

BWaHAHaahahaHAHahaaHA!!!