Comments Thread For: Eddie Hearn Critical of Al Haymon and PBC Business Model

[pugil1st]

Huge difference between me and you clowns is that I don't pontificate about fighters getting their brains damaged. Here you keep doing it whenever the topic is about overpaying fighters as if they get overpaid across the board.

Hope that helps.

Yep, it does help. It confirms what I suspected about you but was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt.

Have a great day.

[inidouh]

Frampton isn't with Hearn. If it wasn't for Al the Frampton-Quigg fight wouldn't have happened. Hearn had been trying to make that fight for a while. Hearn even admitted the fight got made because of Haymon.

Haymon is a threat to all promoters because he's a former promoter and knows the revenue streams. When Floyd signed with Al he showed Floyd how the promoters were working. That's why Floyd called HBO's contract "slave wages". Everybody said Floyd was crazy but in the end he was right.

I don't know where everyone gets the idea that Haymon doesn't have to worry about making money out recouping there investment. That is not how business works. Most of those claims are based in racism. If Arum or some white guy got a firm to invest in boxing they'd be lauded as great businessmen. Look at how many casinos the brothers that own UFC have bankrupted. Look at their past shady business dealings. Trump had bankrupted dozens of businesses and he's lauded as a great businessmen. Haymon's track record in business is spectacular. But a black man does something white people do everyday (get investment money to start a business) and he's supposedly doing something nefarious.

If this venture fails, it fails. It won't be there first big idea that fails. But I have a good feeling that PBC will be around as long as Matchroom and become bigger in the UK. Eddie is threatened because of Al's deals with boxnation and other competitors. And he can't get Kell a big fight. And Joshua knows America is where the big money is and where he can become an international superstar. Haymon is a threat to Hearn.

Exactly!!

Perfect post, it can't get any better than this.

[Eff Pandas]

You can't grow the sport at high cost - low return....

You can't grow a sport doing a lot of things boxing has been doing most notably putting its best fights on PPV & charging fans $60-$100 to watch it.

The person who does eventually grow boxing is gonna need to be innovative &/or spending some money. If its Haymon or some guy after Haymon is the only question. Currently all I know is Haymon is maybe the only guy trying some new things & spending money in the sport. Everyone else is happy with the status quo of cutting up a smaller & smaller piece of the pie year after year.

You can always fall on your face when you try new **** & spend money, but the guy who changes things in virtually any field is trying new **** &/or spending money.

[about.thousands]

Or maybe nobody gives a **** about the comedians you're putting on? Your basis for valuation is completely wrong and literally no business follows the model you're suggesting. So, if it's not based on revenue and how many people attend, then what is it based on? Danger? How much you like them? By your logic every fighter deserves huge money even if they aren't a draw. Using this model the sport wouldn't exist because every event would lose money and nobody would promote.

A lot of you guys on here look at things from a very childish perspective. Not only is your method unrealistic, it would actually destroy the sport because there would be no money left.

It's my job as a promoter to make sure people give a **** about the comedians I bring on. I saw two shows last year in my city that failed because of the promoter. One show was Yo Gotti and the other was Weebie. You might not know who these people are but they're well known rap artists. The promoter did a **** job promoting the show and took a big hit with a half empty venue. Those two artists are still making good records (winning fights) Now imagine the promoter going to book them again and saying I can't pay you as much as I did the last time because the venue was half empty. How is that the artists (boxer) problem? They're doing their job, making music (winning fights), the promoter isn't doing his. In no other promoting industry is this accepted except in boxing.

[about.thousands]

actually floyd didnt see so much for what was being made off "his back" so much as if you remember back then he wasn't selling so much. he left more because he felt he wasnt being marketed correctly and he was right, his career blew up when he went to golden boy on a fight by fight basis.

However 99.9% of boxers need a promoter or a mgr/promoter and don't have the name or self promotion to do what ol' floyd did.

Floyd was pissed when he found out he wasn't getting any cut from the international licensing fees being paid to Arum and from the rebroadcasting fees. He didn't think he should've been paid $32 mil a fight at the time but he knew he should've been getting paid more than what he was based off the other revenue streams Top Rank was getting paid from.

[killakali]

Floyd was pissed when he found out he wasn't getting any cut from the international licensing fees being paid to Arum and from the rebroadcasting fees. He didn't think he should've been paid $32 mil a fight at the time but he knew he should've been getting paid more than what he was based off the other revenue streams Top Rank was getting paid from.

he had complained about the way he was marketing hell he didn't get 32mil for de la hoya or even half that but learned how to market himself and the rest was history

[Jubei]

Won't be much longer for Al Haymon doing his shady business. He is already selling out his fighters one by one.

[about.thousands]

he had complained about the way he was marketing hell he didn't get 32mil for de la hoya or even half that but learned how to market himself and the rest was history

He got $20 mil guaranteed for De La Hoya a year after Bob said it was impossible to pay him that much for that fight. He didn't suddenly become a marketing genius in one year. He beat Baldomir prior to fighting De La Hoya. He was able to make that money from having access to more revenue streams. He marketed himself well during the build up to the fight which carried over after he beat De La Hoya.

[HeroBando]

He got $20 mil guaranteed for De La Hoya a year after Bob said it was impossible to pay him that much for that fight. He didn't suddenly become a marketing genius in one year. He beat Baldomir prior to fighting De La Hoya. He was able to make that money from having access to more revenue streams. He marketed himself well during the build up to the fight which carried over after he beat De La Hoya.

Nope he got 10m guaranteed, exactly what Arum was offering. Floyd insisted on 20m

http://www.latimes.com/sports/boxing/la-sp-sn-floyd-mayweather-jr-oscar-de-la-hoya-20150327-story.html

[Luilun]

Bad analogy. Minimum wages make it harder for smaller businesses to compete forcing them to shut up shop allowing the large corporations who can soak up the wage increases and are often the ones pushing for the minimum wage to fill the void. In your analogy Haymon is playing the part of the corporation pushing up the prices in order to reduce the competition.

Whether or not that is good sustainable business practice is more or less irrelevant to my point which is; bad analogy..

Big Corporation want to save money why do you think most don't want Unions or move to other Countries to pay less Hell why do you think Ford or Carrier are making their products in Mexico. Take for example Apple why do they assemble their products in China. I worked for The BNSF Railroad and they did their best to fight the unions to avoid pay increases why big Corporations want the profits for their share holders not the employees. Like I said before if Haymon was paying out of his own pocket those wages would be Don King wages