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  • Originally posted by considerthis View Post
    You're over thinking it...that's the way you go against a southpaw, especially when you're being pushed against the ropes.
    Not if its closed. If the southpaw has the outside angle you go right. You are probably used to bad southpaws, of which there are many, who square up with you because they have a bad trainer who doesn't know how train southpaws who are also many.

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    • Originally posted by SilverMiles View Post
      Roach says Cotto and ODH couldn't cut of the ring as well. Do you agree ?
      Exactly, Roach does that **** all the time. Media says that Cotto cant cut off the ring and Roach plays it up. Sergio goes into the ring thinking that he can out maneuver Cotto and gets stunned by how good his footwork is.

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      • Originally posted by GTTofAK View Post
        Not if its closed. If the southpaw has the outside angle you go right. You are probably used to bad southpaws, of which there are many, who square up with you because they have a bad trainer who doesn't know how train southpaws who are also many.
        The foot position itself doesn't stop anyone from moving that way...it's always the safer bet to go that way to get off the ropes unless being blocked by the corner.

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        • Originally posted by considerthis View Post
          The foot position itself doesn't stop anyone from moving that way...it's always the safer bet to go that way to get off the ropes unless being blocked by the corner.
          Really you are saying that in this position



          Going to the left is the correct way to escape? You are going to ignore all the space you have to your right and instead you are going to try and pass right through the path of the left and into the right hook?

          This is where orthedox fighters really dont get it. The most they know about fighting a southpaw is go left and take the outside angle. Like you said, 'you go left because that is the way you go against southpaws'. As if that is all there is to it. Good southpaws feast on ignorant oththedox fighters who know nothing but to take the outside angle.
          Last edited by GTTofAK; 04-21-2016, 03:04 PM.

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          • Originally posted by GTTofAK View Post
            Really you are saying that in this position



            Going to the left is the correct way to escape? You are going to ignore all the space you have to your right and instead you are going to try and pass right through the path of the left and into the right hook?

            This is where orthedox fighters really dont get it. The most they know about fighting a southpaw is go left and take the outside angle. Like you said, 'you go left because that is the way you go against southpaws'. As if that is all there is to it. Good southpaws feast on ignorant oththedox fighters who know nothing but to take the outside angle.
            It really depends how close you are to the ropes or a corner. The orthodox fighter is one step away from having the outside position. It's easier for a southpaw to adjust to an orthodox fighter moving right. I was naturally a southpaw who converted to orthodox. Really tho...show me all the examples of floyd moving to his left in tht particular position.

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            • Originally posted by considerthis View Post
              It really depends how close you are to the ropes or a corner.
              No really it depends on if the angle is open or closed. You dont want to be trying to force your way across an already established angle. Ironically its already been shown what happens when you try to move across an already established outside or inside angle. Froid got popped when he tried to slide step out against an established inside angle against Judah and the outside angle against Manny.

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              • Originally posted by GTTofAK View Post
                No really it depends on if the angle is open or closed. You dont want to be trying to force your way across an already established angle. Ironically its already been shown what happens when you try to move across an already established outside or inside angle. Froid got popped when he tried to slide step out against an established inside angle against Judah and the outside angle against Manny.
                What closes the angle if you have room to step back? The foot position is mostly to give you a better angle for your punches while making the opponent's less effective...it only serves to limit movement if your opponent is near a corner or on the ropes. Please post video of the examples of maywether vs pac...you've said that he kept doing thst against pac.

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                • Originally posted by considerthis View Post
                  What closes the angle if you have room to step back? The foot position is mostly to give you a better angle for your punches while making the opponent's less effective...it only serves to limit movement if your opponent is near a corner or on the ropes. Please post video of the examples of maywether vs pac...you've said that he kept doing thst against pac.
                  The subject at hand is holding your opponent on the ropes or in the corner.

                  As for him doing it against Pac watch it yourself. He escaped left all night. It was smart since he knew Pac had a bad shoulder. It forced him to throw his hook.

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                  • If your a pressure styled fighter and your opponent moves laterally you have to cut him off!
                    Hammerin' Hank always gave away height and reach but was a pressure styled fighter. LaMotta also pressured and made moves to make his opponent move into the punch he felt would be most effective!
                    Pac is a pressure guy who capitalizes on his hand speed. He works in & out more than laterally but he isn't the greatest strategists either in regards to setting traps.

                    Ray

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                    • Originally posted by GTTofAK View Post
                      The subject at hand is holding your opponent on the ropes or in the corner.

                      As for him doing it against Pac watch it yourself. He escaped left all night. It was smart since he knew Pac had a bad shoulder. It forced him to throw his hook.
                      I did watch it...and maywether usually made his escape with a check hook and spun out...whether his shot landed or not, it nullified what pac was doing cuz he would have to reach to throw his right hook and therefore have nothing on it. I didn't see mayweather stepping over pacs lead foot cuz most times he was out before pac could get that position. For having an injured shoulder, he sure threw a lot of flailing rights that were coming up short.

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