Since when are smaller fighters( Pacquiao) expected to cut the ring off on larger com

[GTTofAK]

What about reason #3. you are arguing against a fictitious stance that you've imagined i have taken. All i said was the rotator cuff is invoved in the mechnics of throwing a hook, you've agreed by stating it stabalizes it. That sounds like it's involved to me. It's very ironic that you'd bring up discrediting others to facilitate your argument...it's you who calls people ******, incompetent, moron etc. it's just the simple truth that you have no medical credentials, i don't get why that bothers you so much. I have a feeling you're one of those guys who's an 'expert' on everything and many conversations involving you have the tendency to devolve into an argument.

Oh I get it you are one of those morons who forget your original argument

For having an injured shoulder, he sure threw a lot of flailing rights that were coming up short.

You implication here is that Manny didn't have a hurt shoulder because he was able to throw hooks. This shows a marked ignorance on what the rotator rotator cuff is and what it does.

The mechanics of throwing a hook at least in the upper body is pulling the humerus across the body. This is jot the job of the rotator cuff. In no way does a rotator cuff injury prevent someone from throwing a hook. The hook will be painful and have an obvious loss of stability but in no way are you mechanically prevented from throwing hooks with a rotator cuff injury.

[elfag]

cutting off the ring has to do with styles not size.

pressure fighter vs mover

In fact, if the taller guy with a longer reach is a mover, it suits him to stay on the outside, the smaller guy with the short reach, like pac or tyson, is going to want to get inside.... hence you have the common scenario of the smaller guy trying to cut off the ring against the larger guy.

[Real King Kong]

Oh I get it you are one of those morons who forget your original argument



You implication here is that Manny didn't have a hurt shoulder because he was able to throw hooks. This shows a marked ignorance on what the rotator rotator cuff is and what it does.

The mechanics of throwing a hook at least in the upper body is pulling the humerus across the body. This is jot the job of the rotator cuff. In no way does a rotator cuff injury prevent someone from throwing a hook. The hook will be painful and have an obvious loss of stability but in no way are you mechanically prevented from throwing hooks with a rotator cuff injury.

It's all speculation...you think he had a full rotator cuff tear? I don't. You're technically not even right in your argument anyway. There is more to throwing a hook than pulling the humerus across the body...there's shoulder abduction involved, a movement that is one of the primary function of one of the rotator cuff muscles. That was the exact area i injured, and for me at least, throwing any punches with that arm was out of the question...let alone winging wide hooks. I don't think the injury was anywhere near as severe as they made it out to be, and that's just my opinion. It doesn't mean much and definitely isn't something you need to oppose so fiercely...i just find excuses for losing a fight to be classless.

[b00g13man]

Still can't get over how dumb this thread was.

[GTTofAK]

It's all speculation...you think he had a full rotator cuff tear? I don't. You're technically not even right in your argument anyway. There is more to throwing a hook than pulling the humerus across the body...there's shoulder abduction involved, a movement that is one of the primary function of one of the rotator cuff muscles.

The rotator cuff is not the prime mover of the shoulder in shoulder abduction. The lateral deltoids is. The supraspinatus of the rotator cuff can provide little actual force to abduct the shoulder during abduction due it is high point of insertion on the humerus, it has next to no leverage. Even if your supraspinatus were completely torn off the bone you would still be able to abduct your shoulder because the lateral deltoid is what does the lions share of the work.

The primary role of the supraspinatus is to prevent a the latissimus dorsi from dislocating the shoulder downward when the shoulder is adducted. Were it not for the supraspinatus providing an isometric resistance to the downward force of the lat your shoulder would dislocate downwards when you pulled your arm down with significant forced. I keep trying to explain the simple concept of what the purpose of the rotator cuff is and you just dont get it because you are too ******.

The rotator cuff is not there to lift or move anything. It can do little concentric work. Because of the high insertion points on the humerus it has next to no leverage to do work. The purpose of the rotator cuff is to proved isometric resistance to the prime movers in the opposite direction to keep the head of the humerus from dislocating. For this purpose the high insertion points at the head of the humerus are ideal.

[Real King Kong]

The rotator cuff is not the prime mover of the shoulder in shoulder abduction. The lateral deltoids is. The supraspinatus of the rotator cuff can provide little actual force to abduct the shoulder during abduction due it is high point of insertion on the humerus, it has next to no leverage. Even if your supraspinatus were completely torn off the bone you would still be able to abduct your shoulder because the lateral deltoid is what does the lions share of the work.

The primary role of the supraspinatus is to prevent a the latissimus dorsi from dislocating the shoulder downward when the shoulder is adducted. Were it not for the supraspinatus providing an isometric resistance to the downward force of the lat your shoulder would dislocate downwards when you pulled your arm down with significant forced. I keep trying to explain the simple concept of what the purpose of the rotator cuff is and you just dont get it because you are too ******.

The rotator cuff is not there to lift or move anything. It can do little concentric work. Because of the high insertion points on the humerus it has next to no leverage to do work. The purpose of the rotator cuff is to proved isometric resistance to the prime movers in the opposite direction to keep the head of the humerus from dislocating. For this purpose the high insertion points at the head of the humerus are ideal.

Very impressive, it's almost like you have some type of medical or kinesiology backround...except you don't. One of the tests my doctor did on me was shoulder abduction, because as he told me, one of the rotator cuff muscles actually starts the movement before the deltoid is recruited. Throwing a hook also involves external and internal rotation, actions where the rotator cuff muscles are recruited. I know you want to sound all smart and be right, but i don't even understand why this is an argument. It's not like you're going to introduce something that's going to make me believe pac had a completely torn rotator cuff. Like i said before, it's only my opinion and it's based on that i didn't see any obvious signs of him being in pain or favoring the shoulder. You can believe whatever you want.

[sicko]

This thread is old now but LMFAO at not being expected to cut the ring off because he is smaller WTF?

Cutting the ring off has NOTHING to ***ing do with size, if a guy fights off of his backfoot and likes to stick and move you should come into that fight with that fighter ready to cut the ring off and hunt him down

[-Kev-]

Still can't get over how dumb this thread was.

Yeah, smh. He just called me the worst poster on NSB for saying that the Canelo vs GGG fight should happen next but that Mayweather and Pacquiao are better names on his resume(as wins) and will draw more revenue for Canelo

[SilverMiles]

This thread is old now but LMFAO at not being expected to cut the ring off because he is smaller WTF?

Cutting the off ring off has NOTHING to ***ing do with size, if a guy fights off of his backfoot and likes to stick and move you should come into that fight with that fighter ready to cut the ring off and hunt him down

This thread wasnt saying smaller fighters cant cut off the ring but rather why is Manny expected to walk down larger men. Its not Manny style to do so but for reason he's expected to change his style and do so. And even if he wins by 12-0 against much bigger guys he lacks fundamentals.

Of course smaller guy who are use to cutting off the ring would be more effective doing it when doing so but thats not Manny style. Fact reminds why are we shtting on Manny for not chasing Algieri down when rather we should be shtting on Algieri for running like a *****.

If you can't understand that than you join clowns like Kev.

[SilverMiles]

Yeah, smh. He just called me the worst poster on NSB for saying that the Canelo vs GGG fight should happen next but that Mayweather and Pacquiao are better names on his resume(as wins) and will draw more revenue for Canelo

Oh did i hurt your feelings. Smh at you running into this thread to find solace and only proving my point.

Now if you want to nuthug Canelo go do it in one of those threads and stop spamming this one with unrelated posts.