Since when are smaller fighters( Pacquiao) expected to cut the ring off on larger com

[Real King Kong]

Sorry but that is bull****. You cant test it yourself. Place your fingers on your shoulder over the lateral deltoids and abduct your shoulder ever so slightly. You will immediate feel your lateral deltoid contract.

I couldn't care less at this point. There's no dis*****g that rotator cuff muscles are recruited when punching. My original statement was that i don't believe pac had a severe rotator cuff injury because he was throwing the right hook often, and with reckless abandon at times. That's just my opinion, you're entitled to yours....but I'm done going back and forth with someone who believes their engineering degree trumps what my doctor said in regards to my own shoulder injury.

[LoadedWraps]

So even if he is landing more shots because he is not fighting the fight you think he should be fighting then the back foot guy wins the round? That is the same kind of thinking that got both Ford and Ross fired.

Where do you get that from my post? I didn't say that anywhere. I didn't once speak of how I score a round, lol.

I was just addressing who should cut off the ring.

It's off topic, but my scoring criteria is:

clean, landed punches
Ring generalship
effective aggression

[Spoon23]

If you are small with short reach and not stronger than your opponent, how do you cut the ring off if the guy is intent on running? Watch Duran-Leonard 2. Compared to Duran-Leonard 1 when Leonard was NOT intent on running.

Exactly.

There are reasons boxing has the tale of the tape. It's a measure of how stats factors in how a fighter fights. Reach, height, weight are factors.

[GTTofAK]

Where do you get that from my post?

Because it sounds strikingly similar to what Ford was saying right before he was fired.

I was just addressing who should cut off the ring.

Why should anyone? If you are landing more and being hit less what the **** does it matter if you are or are not "cutting off the ring"?

clean, landed punches
Ring generalship
effective aggression

Not the bold. Thats the problem. The most subjective measure in any sport. IN the Duane Ford school of judging you can lose the round by any objective metric imaginable and still win the round because of "ring generalship". 'Ah the back foot fighter put on a boxing lesson. Other guy wouldn't cut the ring off.'

[LoadedWraps]

Because it sounds strikingly similar to what Ford was saying right before he was fired.



Why should anyone? If you are landing more and being hit less what the **** does it matter if you are or are not "cutting off the ring"?



Not the bold. Thats the problem. The most subjective measure in any sport. IN the Duane Ford school of judging you can lose the round by any objective metric imaginable and still win the round because of "ring generalship". 'Ah the back foot fighter put on a boxing lesson. Other guy wouldn't cut the ring off.'

To me it isn't that subjective, ring generalship is controlling the ring and making your opponent do what you want him to do without punches or excessive foot movement.

Ring generalship is what Fury did to wlad. Feints, small head, shoulder, and hand movements that control what your opponent does. small steps. being first without being first. Being in control.

[12TRIBEsRiSe]

pac man is a great fighter no doubt but he cant cut off a ring to save his life

[GTTofAK]

To me it isn't that subjective, ring generalship is controlling the ring and making your opponent do what you want him to do without punches or excessive foot movement.

And that is why its subjective. You dont know what the **** either fighter is tying to do. You are subjectively interpreting what both fighters are trying to accomplish.

My personal example I always use comes from being a southpaw. I will frequently let my opponent take the outside angle that they so desperately want. Inevitably some moron will be telling me that I need slide right.

You cant sit there and pretend that you have any ****ing clue what the fighter is trying to accomplish in the ring. All you can gauge is if they are begin effective at landing and not getting hit.

Ring generalship lets all sorts of bias seep into the judging.

Furthermore a fighter can be accomplishing 100% of his game plan and still be losing because its a bad game plan while his opponent might be only accomplishing 75% of what he is trying to do and still be winning because its a good game plan.

RING GENERALSHIP IS BULL****!

[LoadedWraps]

And that is why its subjective. You dont know what the **** either fighter is tying to do. You are subjectively interpreting what both fighters are trying to accomplish.

My personal example I always use comes from being a southpaw. I will frequently let my opponent take the outside angle that they so desperately want. Inevitably some moron will be telling me that I need slide right.

You cant sit there and pretend that you have any ****ing clue what the fighter is trying to accomplish in the ring. All you can gauge is if they are begin effective at landing and not getting hit.

Ring generalship lets all sorts of bias seep into the judging.

Furthermore a fighter can be accomplishing 100% of his game plan and still be losing because its a bad game plan while his opponent might be only accomplishing 75% of what he is trying to do and still be winning because its a good game plan.

RING GENERALSHIP IS BULL****!

I see your point and I agree for the most part.

I also do stuff in the ring to set up traps, and make my opponent feel more comfortable and lull him into punches or wandering into a spot I want.

But at the same time, much of the scoring criteria is "subjective" in that way.

Like for example some cats will label everything not a jab a "power punch". I only count a power punch if it was a truly hard blow. Realistically you can change speed and power on your punches, check hooks for example, I throw them really soft but fast. I am not trying to hurt my opponent as much as I am trying to stop him in his tracks and / or trying to set something up or hide a follow-up shot.

I think scoring in general is subjective and debatable in that way and I don't like that it's like that, but what can we really do about it?

I try to be as fair and objective as I can when scoring a fight but no two cards are hardly alike and even when they are, the two people scoring could be scoring towards the same fighter for different reasons.

That's why I want stoppages - leave no doubt.

[JoeKidd]

pac man is a great fighter no doubt but he cant cut off a ring to save his life

And who has been able to run away from him? Algieri? With 6 knockdowns? Floyd? With turning his back or squeezing for dear life?

The more correct observation is that Pacquiao does not "corner" or "cage" his opponent. He needs some room to operate. But he definitely gets himself in front the opposition.

[12TRIBEsRiSe]

And who has been able to run away from him? Algieri? With 6 knockdowns? Floyd? With turning his back or squeezing for dear life?

The more correct observation is that Pacquiao does not "corner" or "cage" his opponent. He needs some room to operate. But he definitely gets himself in front the opposition.

Floyd used basic footwork to beat pac man u should look at the fight again, hugging with a southpaw vs ortho is usually more but in that fight it was only 19, Floyd wrapped up when he was out of position. he stood in front of pac man for the majority of the fight ive watched it several times, and Floyds simple footwork is the reason Pac lost the fight so ur argument holds no weight. Algeirie???????? it was an eilite ATG vs Nevermind....