I absolutely love Spence, but why the double standard?

[CaneloMaidana]

Because your favorite fighter is a coward.

Lopez is my favorite active fighter. He fought in 3 divisions.

[Dr Rumack]

One is 8 years older and has like 3-4 good years left it him, the other is a 26 year old that has 10+ good years ahead of him.

One has been a pro since 2006 and the other has been a pro since late 2012, if in 2020 Spence is still fighting Algieri level opponents then he will get the same criticism GGG is getting right now, I expect however that if Spence finds out he's getting ducked at 147 which is very probable, he won't sit there, cry about it, and try to pick up vacated paper titles, he will just move up in weight to get the fights he has to get to make himself a star, GGG has proven that he's not a risk taker despite his old age and low popularity.

This is a classic case of cherry-picking facts and ignoring the irrelevant ones. Like when racists say black people commit more crime, and refuse to have any discussion about poverty or environment or any other contextual factors.

But context always matters and it matters a lot in boxing.

I actually do think Golovkin is overhyped at this point, but there are so many haters that refuse to have any reasonable discussion about his resume. The facts are:

1. Universum deliberately held back his career to protect their star

2. He was ducked by everyone in the middleweight division at first

3. As soon as he could get recognizable middleweight opposition in the ring, he fought them and crushed them

4. He worked his way into becoming the mandatory for the biggest star in the post-floyd/manny boxing world, and he is looking to enforce it

The only thing people can throw at him is that he didn't fight Ward. That's literally it. But the same critics will twist themselves into knots trying to justify other fighters not taking fights on business grounds. It's pure hate.

[Vasyl’s dad]

One is 8 years older and has like 3-4 good years left it him, the other is a 26 year old that has 10+ good years ahead of him.

One has been a pro since 2006 and the other has been a pro since late 2012, if in 2020 Spence is still fighting Algieri level opponents then he will get the same criticism GGG is getting right now, I expect however that if Spence finds out he's getting ducked at 147 which is very probable, he won't sit there, cry about it, and try to pick up vacated paper titles, he will just move up in weight to get the fights he has to get to make himself a star, GGG has proven that he's not a risk taker despite his old age and low popularity.

Why does GGG have only 3-4 good years left? He takes very good care of himself, has modern science and has other middelweight champions running away with excuses. Why does he have to move up before accomplishing his goals?

[Dip_Slide]

This is a classic case of cherry-picking facts and ignoring the irrelevant ones. Like when racists say black people commit more crime, and refuse to have any discussion about poverty or environment or any other contextual factors.

But context always matters and it matters a lot in boxing.

I actually do think Golovkin is overhyped at this point, but there are so many haters that refuse to have any reasonable discussion about his resume. The facts are:

1. Universum deliberately held back his career to protect their star

2. He was ducked by everyone in the middleweight division at first

3. As soon as he could get recognizable middleweight opposition in the ring, he fought them and crushed them

4. He worked his way into becoming the mandatory for the biggest star in the post-floyd/manny boxing world, and he is looking to enforce it

The only thing people can throw at him is that he didn't fight Ward. That's literally it. But the same critics will twist themselves into knots trying to justify other fighters not taking fights on business grounds. It's pure hate.

Is he the first fighter in history that couldn't manage to get big names with him in the ring? absolutely NOT! this happened hundreds of times before, bottom line is, this is pro boxing and not he amateurs, this is NOT organized competition, this is ENTERTAINMENT and the guy that puts more asses in seats in the number one guy, and almost ALL fighters that got to be the number one guy OVERCAME some adversity and accepted fights were they were at some disadvantage but took the risk anyway and became what they became, GGG is not better than any of them, and with his level of skills and talent people expect him to follow that tradition, pay the price if you wanna be successful!

Last time I checked Bernard Hopkins was the best MW in the world and one of the best in history when Oscar dela Hoya won a paper title at 160, in the perfect world Hopkins should've been the A side who called the shots on the fight with Dela Hoya, instead because of popularity, Dela Hoya enforced all his terms and conditions on the fight and made the lineal highly recognized legendary MW champion come DOWN to freaking 156 to fight him and guess what, Hopkins called his bluff, went down and risked being drained and losing everything just to get that guy in the ring with him, and he came out on top, doesn't this situation remind you of the Canelo GGG situation a little bit? but what does GGG do, he's waiting for the WBC to hand him some paper title that won't do his career any good. The bar has been set too high and if you're not gonna live up to what people before you did you will get criticized.

[Dip_Slide]

Why does GGG have only 3-4 good years left? He takes very good care of himself, has modern science and has other middelweight champions running away with excuses. Why does he have to move up before accomplishing his goals?

Well if he manages to be around for longer and to make himself a bigger name in the meanwhile then all power to him, I personally don't see it happening, the only way this guy is getting more popularity is by fighting someone with a name, ALL great fighters took risks and made sacrifices to get that big name fight, Hopkins moved DOWN to 156 depite being a bigger MW than GGG to fight Dela Hoya, Pacquiao moved up for the bigger fights, Duran jumped 12 pounds to fight Leonard, they didn't wait for sanctioning bodies to hand them vacated titles that won't do their careers any good and that's what people expect from someone with the talent and hype that GGG has, I really want to see this guy become the big dog in boxing because he deserves it, but he has to follow in the footsteps of greats if he wants to be one.

[Dr Rumack]

Is he the first fighter in history that couldn't manage to get big names with him in the ring? absolutely NOT! this happened hundreds of times before, bottom line is, this is pro boxing and not he amateurs, this is NOT organized competition, this is ENTERTAINMENT and the guy that puts more asses in seats in the number one guy, and almost ALL fighters that got to be the number one guy OVERCAME some adversity and accepted fights were they were at some disadvantage but took the risk anyway and became what they became, GGG is not better than any of them, and with his level of skills and talent people expect him to follow that tradition, pay the price if you wanna be successful!

Last time I checked Bernard Hopkins was the best MW in the world and one of the best in history when Oscar dela Hoya won a paper title at 160, in the perfect world Hopkins should've been the A side who called the shots on the fight with Dela Hoya, instead because of popularity, Dela Hoya enforced all his terms and conditions on the fight and made the lineal highly recognized legendary MW champion come DOWN to freaking 156 to fight him and guess what, Hopkins called his bluff, went down and risked being drained and losing everything just to get that guy in the ring with him, and he came out on top, doesn't this situation remind you of the Canelo GGG situation a little bit? but what does GGG do, he's waiting for the WBC to hand him some paper title that won't do his career any good. The bar has been set too high and if you're not gonna live up to what people before you did you will get criticized.

Hopkins is the perfect comparison. Ignored for the most of a decade until DiBella got him into Don King's middleweight tournament. When he got his chance against the superstar that was Tito he took it. But what? That was ok for Hopkins but not for Golovkin? Why? Because he's a foreigner?

[Tom Cruise]

I think the hype for GGG was similar to Spence's now when he broke into the mainstream

I dont think its double standards. If Spence is in the same position as GGG is now in two years or so then I reckon people will say the same things about him as they do about Golovkin.

People love a fighter with momentum. Not necessarily GGG's fault he lost his, but he lost it nonetheless

[.!WAR MIKEY!.]

Most of the posters on here are American and many of them are African American so they will get behind their boy.

Having said that, Spence is very upright and is there to be hit. Don't crown him just yet.

exactly. Spence looked good had the perfect game plan for Algeri alot of people didnt notice it but Spence hurt Algieri to the body in the first round and algreri hid it well but didnt help.

I remeber some mexican dude spence fought gave spence a wake up call late in the round buckled him ever so slightly so he's their to get hit but what I like about spence is he shows up with his entire tool belt for the job not just one or 2 tools that is just enough to get the job done, he shows up like WHAT ELSE!

[Dip_Slide]

Hopkins is the perfect comparison. Ignored for the most of a decade until DiBella got him into Don King's middleweight tournament. When he got his chance against the superstar that was Tito he took it. But what? That was ok for Hopkins but not for Golovkin? Why? Because he's a foreigner?

So GGG should wait for 10 years until he gets a chance? is that what you really want him to do at the age of 34? if Dela Hoya had won his paper 160 belt in 98 Hopkins would've probably gone down to 156 to fight him, he just didn't have the oppurtunity that GGG has right now with Canelo, and nobody knew that Hopkins was going to be able to fight so long at that level and even move up 2 weight classes in his 40s to fight top bigger guys, same goes for GGG, to me right now he's just a guy who's wasting his career on fighting for meaningless belts that don't help him financialy nor legacywise, maybe he will be around for a long time and do what Hopkins did, we will never know until he does, and until then he's just a guy with a lot of wasted potential.

[BM dnobagaV]

Spence calls out guys that he knows Haymon won't put him against.
Imagine Spence against someone who could punch or brawl.. Dude is a brutal KO waiting to happen