Do you still rank Bradley as the #2 ww?

[b00g13man]

Nope. The division is, and was in too much of a mess. All we knew was Floyd was #1 prior to retiring.

[DreamerUSA]

I'm not suggesting we shit on them for losing. I am just saying losing has to matter. In this climate-only Tim and JMM will get a shot at Manny. The loser shouldn't get to stay at 2 because of the resume after a loss. How does Thurman or Brook ever get to #1 if #1 never fights them and keeps beating everyone he does fight, except the champ?

Bradley's resume is better but he is miles behind Manny. Can we say the same for Brook and Thurman if they never get to fight JMM, Manny or Tim?

Losing matters but who it is and how you lose also matter. Anyways. I've said for a long time that Floyd and Manny should of already fought the kids, but they did'nt, and their rankings had nothing to do with it. So the kids should of been fighting each other, but they hav'nt been, for the most part. All of them looking for that payday that never materialized.

Am I really suppose to move Thurman ahead of Bradley because Bradley lost to Pac when Thurman's last wins were versus Collazo and Guerrero and the next time he steps in the ring versus Porter, it will be nearly a year since he fought. Versus Bradley with wins over Vargas and Rios and an L to Pac in the time frame that Thurman has been inactive. What about that qualifies Thurman to move ahead of Bradley in rankings? And Brook? His fights are'nt even worth mentioning since he beat Porter 2 years ago.

Anyways this argument is a moot point. With Floyd and Manny gone these guys will actually have to fight each other now. No matter what ranking system you look at all of them are somewhere in or around the top 5. By all of them I mean Bradley, Thurman, Garcia, Brook, Vargas, Porter, Khan and I'll throw Spence in as a wild card.

[_original_]

Nope. The division is, and was in too much of a mess. All we knew was Floyd was #1 prior to retiring.

I agree, the only thing clear was that Floyd was by far number one. I don't know how everybody just concluded that Manny and Bradley became number 1 and 2. Now Manny is clearly the top guy because he beats Bradley for the third time? Lol neither guy will ever fight Thurman, Maidana, Porter, Brook, Khan, or Garcia so we'll never have a clear order.

[HeroBando]

I agree, the only thing clear was that Floyd was by far number one. I don't know how everybody just concluded that Manny and Bradley became number 1 and 2. Now Manny is clearly the top guy because he beats Bradley for the third time? Lol neither guy will ever fight Thurman, Maidana, Porter, Brook, Khan, or Garcia so we'll never have a clear order.

Take Thurman, Brook, Khan and Garcia. What are their 3 best welter wins, combined?

1. Porter
2. Guerrero vs Thurman, weak welter, borderline top 10
3. ?? Jojo Dan?

Even Bradley's welter output is much better

[doublejabbing]

Right after pac, rankings are a complete and utter mess due to the division. You can make a case for several guys being #2-5

[TOBYLEE1]

Still in the top 5. Before Pac he beat Vargas, sent Rios briefly into retirement crying and didn't look that bad in the Pac fight.

Anybody that says that he is over-rated should compare the list of people that he has fought and beat to any current top WW

[Robbie Barrett]

Still in the top 5. Before Pac he beat Vargas, sent Rios briefly into retirement crying and didn't look that bad in the Pac fight.

Anybody that says that he is over-rated should compare the list of people that he has fought and beat to any current top WW

He has a good resume against JWW but we are talking about WW here.

[IronDanHamza]

Just like before the fight, the 147 division is wide open.

The only guy head and shoulders above the rest is Pacquaio.

[Dodger07]

Currently I'd have it :

Pac (dlh, cotto, clottey, mosley, marquez, Bradley, rios, Algieri)

Bradley(abregu, pac, provo, marquez, chaves vargas, rios)

Brook (porter)

Thurman (chaves, guerrero, collazo)

Porter (alexander, malignaggi, broner)

Garcia (peterson, guerrero)

Khan (alexander, Algieri)

Vargas(ali)

Spence (no one yet)

[hugh grant]

I thought you could make a case that Thurman and Brook could've been ahead of Manny and/or Tim. As of now, I think tim falls to 3 behind Thurman and Brook.

Is anything you say sincere? You don't want PAC to be 5 time lineal so of course you'd come out with this!

Who has brook beat? He beat porter and then fought bums since. Bradley did at least beat jmm, and has only lost to PAC. All Thurman and brook have to do is beat Bradley the top 10 PFP fighter, top5 not long ago