Lomachenko-Walters OFF because Top Rank has no leverage

[HeroBando]

Terrence Crawford's next fight, with no opponent even hinted at, is already being targeted for HBOPPV, and the Crawfor-Lundy card had a total fighter payout of under $1.75m. Bradley may be in a different boat.

The fact that there isn't the budget for $2m cards on HBO any longer casts a lot of doubt, imo.

They're reducing their spending for sure, but its been a while since they've spent 2m on a couple of green, non draw FWs. That said, 500k each is too low, props to Loma for willingness. 750k is fair. Didn't they pitch it to Showtime?

[paulf]

What have Lomachenko and Walters numbers been like?

I mean, HBO has a history of throwing millions every year at fighters who cant draw flies to ****, but maybe... HOPEFULLY.... that might be changing?

[CaneloMaidana]

You're an idiot. Crawford just made 1.2m vs a no hoper. HBO loves him. Bradley consistently outearns anyone on PBC. Neither of these guys is half the draw that Ggg is.

The reason they like him, dummy, is he's so easy to work with: doesn't ask for more than he's worth, will fight anyone they want wherever, exciting style brings fan interest, no pouting or lawsuits. And he's also fcuking good, he can bring out the b1tch in Mexican warrior Canelo

He's not good that's why he won't fight a decent opponent and you have to constantly protect him. HBO has 2 Black boxers when most elite American boxers are Black. Golovkin is a coward picking on no hopers.

[MrRolltide91]

This is all I could find

TR is looking for a new opponent for Lomachenko. #Boxing

— Mike Leanardi (@ChiMike702) March 20, 2016

Thanks.....

[CaneloMaidana]

So all he did was do the opposite side of the coin. Try to get on HBO's good side by attacking ST.

He took it too far and now Showtime won't work with him, leaving him with nothing. He also stopped doing independent ppvs. Some of which had decent sales.

[HeroBando]

He's not good that's why he won't fight a decent opponent and you have to constantly protect him. HBO has 2 Black boxers when most elite American boxers are Black. Golovkin is a coward picking on no hopers.

Black or white, they like to feature the best, hence 9/10 Ring p4p on HBO, including those 2. They also don't like to be extorted so stopped working with Haymon who has most of the less elite US boxers. But HBO would love to feature some, without the toxic Haymon factor

[Eff Pandas]

I do think you're only worth what the market gives you, but for reference Lomachenko made $750K for Koasicha.

Edit: And that fight did 585K viewers.

Yea & I think he made over $600M for the fight before that too iirc. He's creeping up on 1M by himself. To suggest these two should only get 1M total is bs math.

And whats the $ per viewer ratio thats acceptable? I mean there are guys who are making 2x-3x what Loma is are aren't doing 2x or 3x the ratings.

I was just saying in another thread that Top Rank isn't just a promoter anymore, they're a full fledged multimedia company capable of producing high quality PPVs all by themselves, which they've done in the past but havent in a while.

However... Lomachenko and Walkers are in a smaller weight, not huge names and, most importantly, don't have a huge base to tap into like the guys on the old Latin Fury/Pinoy Power PPV cards did. Even if Arum packed it with good Mexican fighters, it would be a tough sell.

I think the failure of the Golovkin-Lemeiux PPV was a firm reminder to everyone in the industry that you can't force stuff, and trying to sell PPVs featuring fighters that are not yet superstars and have no national/ethnic fanbase in America is probably not a good move.

Idk all the figures involved with putting on a PPV, but I don't think the break even number is that high for a $1.5M-2M fight. I believe 2M is a reasonable max offer for this fight & I suspect with $1M being the current offer if the info out there is to be believed that maybe $1.5M could be swung with maybe a winner bonus agreement or something like that.

Sure it'd be better if HBO just jumped on board, sure it'd be better if Arum sold the fight to Showtime, but I don't think the demands for PPV buys are that out of range for a TR PPV show here.

Solid take that a Ukrainian vs a Jamaican isn't likely to get THAT many cats pulling out their debit cards, but I think it'd got solid hardcore fan interest & if they can throw a couple Mexican guys with a following on the card I could see it turning a profit.

[bojangles1987]

Oh what the ****. **** this pathetic wannabe sport, seriously.

[-PBP-]

That was the original offer then the offer was bumped to 435K for Walters, so Lomachenko was willing to take less money for the fight. Then Loma said he would take a 50-50 (500K for each). Walters is the one asking for a million. Remember that.

But all the advantages are being given to Walters, so why can't Loma at least take a little bit more money?
Walters asked for the June date, because he wasn't going to be ready for April, Lomachenko accepted. The fight will more than likely take place at 130 for Walters NOT for Loma.
What else does Walters want? What more can he be given?

By the way there are only a few people saying the fight is OFF, so we should wait a little more to get some solid news. For now it's just rumors.

Gotcha. I'm with you. Walters ducked this fight flat out. When you can't fill up tiny venues and can't get more than 400k people to watch you fight you're not a million dollar fighter.

Beating fighters on the caliber of Lomachenko is what makes you a million dollar fighter. But you got to put in the work first. Loma understands this, Walters doesn't.

[kafkod]

He's not good that's why he won't fight a decent opponent and you have to constantly protect him. HBO has 2 Black boxers when most elite American boxers are Black. Golovkin is a coward picking on no hopers.

I can only think of one American boxer who deserves to be called elite, and that's Crawford. Maybe Ward still is, we'll find out about that soon.