Should boxers boycott the IBF?

[MrRolltide91]

The IBF is not corrupt.

The IBF's rankings are an accurate reflection of the best fighters willing to fight for the IBF.

Top fighters prefer to not fight for the IBF because the IBF is not corrupt.

This......

[Eff Pandas]

Eff Pandas -

The IBF used to be corrupt just like the others. Their president was jailed and they became subject to federal oversight.

So now they follow their rules 100%. No funny business. No preferential treatment.

When you wrote that all of the organizations are corrupt, that simply is not true. The IBF is 100% on the up and up.

You've offered absolutely nothing to support your premise that the IBF is corrupt.

Bizier is not getting a title shot as a result of corruption. Bizier is getting a title shot as a result of being one of the two best fighters willing to participate in an IBF eliminator and winning that eliminator.

Please tell us who the IBF passed over that was willing to participate in that eliminator.

You can't.

The IBF can't force people to fight for them. Because they enforce their rules, the top fighters prefer to fight for the groups that cater to them.

That doesn't mean the IBF rankings are corrupt. The IBF rankings are an honest reflection of the best fighters willing to fight for the IBF.

Your position has no merit.

Just seeing this today looking at some old threads. I woulda responded to this sooner if you'd have quoted me so I knew you directed something at me.

Anyway....

Cmon man. Just cuz none of these alphabet groups haven't been convicted of anything recently its naive to suggest corruption isn't going on.

Just looking at their last rankings for HW I see massive problems.

1. NOT RATED
2. NOT RATED
3. Erkan Teper
4. Anthony Joshua
5. Carlos Takam
6. Joshua Parker
7. Vyacheslav Glazkov
8. Kubrat Pulev
9. Derek Chisora
10. Andy Ruiz
11. Bermane Stiverne
12. Robert Helenius
13. David Haye
14. Dominic Breazeale
15. Jarrell Miller

Why isn't Klitschko ranked? He just held the IBF title why wouldn't he fight for it again? Why isn't Luis Ortiz ranked? I'd assume Ortiz would sell his soul for a title shot with any alphabet group at his age & with guys allegedly avoiding him. I could probably name a couple more guys, but I'll leave it at those two I believe to be the most obvious.

How the eff did Erkan Teper become their top ranked (#3) guy? I'll tell you how I think he did. He won a bs minor IBF belt which he had to pay sanctioning fees for, which is the new school ole boy style of the corruption going on with these alphabet groups. There are plenty of guys ranked below Teper that shouldn't be I think anyone reasonably could agree with.

If I took the time to I'm positive I could find massive problems with the IBF rankings of most if not every division.

[zerosixthree]

Just seeing this today looking at some old threads. I woulda responded to this sooner if you'd have quoted me so I knew you directed something at me.

Anyway....

Cmon man. Just cuz none of these alphabet groups haven't been convicted of anything recently its naive to suggest corruption isn't going on.

Just looking at their last rankings for HW I see massive problems.

1. NOT RATED
2. NOT RATED
3. Erkan Teper
4. Anthony Joshua
5. Carlos Takam
6. Joshua Parker
7. Vyacheslav Glazkov
8. Kubrat Pulev
9. Derek Chisora
10. Andy Ruiz
11. Bermane Stiverne
12. Robert Helenius
13. David Haye
14. Dominic Breazeale
15. Jarrell Miller

Why isn't Klitschko ranked? He just held the IBF title why wouldn't he fight for it again? Why isn't Luis Ortiz ranked? I'd assume Ortiz would sell his soul for a title shot with any alphabet group at his age & with guys allegedly avoiding him. I could probably name a couple more guys, but I'll leave it at those two I believe to be the most obvious.

How the eff did Erkan Teper become their top ranked (#3) guy? I'll tell you how I think he did. He won a bs minor IBF belt which he had to pay sanctioning fees for, which is the new school ole boy style of the corruption going on with these alphabet groups. There are plenty of guys ranked below Teper that shouldn't be I think anyone reasonably could agree with.

If I took the time to I'm positive I could find massive problems with the IBF rankings of most if not every division.

Klitschko was removed because he isn't fighting for an IBF belt.

Ortiz is probably not ranked for the same reason a lot of fighters are not ranked by the IBF; not paying sanctioning fees.

As for Teper, who knows..

[Eff Pandas]

If he can't prove it then he shouldn't say it so matter-of-fact-ly.


Like someone already said, it becomes an inconvenience for top fighters who's desirable and lucrative fights aren't necessarily mandatories, and they often aren't.

Ideally all orgs would lack corruption. We know that sadly that isn't the case.

Has the WBC, WBA or WBO been convicted of corruption recently? I mean you say in the the first sentence that I shouldn't say a alphabet group is corrupt without proof basically, but then you suggest in your last sentence that there are certain alphabet groups which are corrupt. You don't matter of fact-ly know it to be the case unless I'm forgetting someone who's been convicted of corruption. But you are assuming there to be corruption in one or more of these other alphabet groups without matter of fact proof as am I I'm just doing it to one more alphabet groups than you are, the IBF.

And I will say that my assumption is there is corruption, on some level, with all these alphabet groups & it could be incompetence instead.

Klitschko was removed because he isn't fighting for an IBF belt.

Ortiz is probably not ranked for the same reason a lot of fighters are not ranked by the IBF; not paying sanctioning fees.

Original Zero's position was anyone who's willing & obviously deserving to fight for the IBF belt is ranked. I'd contend both of these guys are.

And my assumption would be that anyone who's not fighting for a bs minor IBF belt isn't paying sanctioning fees yet.

As for Teper, who knows..

LOL yea this is one pretty indefensible.

[original zero]

Eff Pandas -

I didn't suggest that none of the orgs are corrupt. I've been very consistent in my position that all of them are corrupt except the IBF.

Your lack of understanding of IBF rules doesn't make the IBF corrupt. It makes you ignorant. The IBF rules are posted publicly and followed precisely, regardless of financial implications. The rules are applied equally to everyone, no matter how big of a star you are or how much revenue you generate.

You haven't been able to point to a single instance of even possible corruption. You just point to the lack of quality fighters in the rankings. That is not due to corruption, that is due to top fighters avoiding the org that enforces the rules. Which has been explained to you already, you just don't want to hear it.

Klitschko isn't ranked because he was offered a shot at the vacant title and turned it down. Glazkov was #1. #2 was vacant. Klitschko was #3. Martin was #4. Klitschko refused to face Glazkov for the vacant title, opting instead for a rematch with Fury.

That is why Klitschko was removed from the rankings. For turning down a title shot in favor of fighting for a different organization. IBF champions have to defend against somebody in the top 15, so it isn't fair to rank people who won't accept the title shot. It just clogs the rankings and makes it difficult for the champion to find opponents.

Luis Ortiz isn't ranked because he's a WBA world champion and none of the orgs rank the world champions (interim or otherwise) of the other orgs.

So far, you're 0 for 2. No instance of IBF corruption. Two instances of Eff Pandas ignorance.

[NEETzsche]

original zero

the current IBF ratings chairman, anibel miramontes, is certified corrupt - http://www.boxingscene.com/former-ra...ruption--62828

[deathofaclown]

In one way i think the IBF are right with how strict they are. Fight your mandatories or be stripped. Better than the WBC in that respect. WBC say stuff like a fighter has 15 days to accept a fight with their mandatory, and then the time passes and nothing. They just make allowances for certain fighters.

The problem is the IBF usually have awful rankings so the champions are forced into bad fights.

[Eff Pandas]

Eff Pandas -

I didn't suggest that none of the orgs are corrupt. I've been very consistent in my position that all of them are corrupt except the IBF.

Did I say you said that? I think I directed that sort of comment at Loaded Wraps not you.

You haven't been able to point to a single instance of even possible corruption. You just point to the lack of quality fighters in the rankings. That is not due to corruption, that is due to top fighters avoiding the org that enforces the rules. Which has been explained to you already, you just don't want to hear it.

So you think the HW rankings above properly illustrate the best guys wanting to fight for the IBF title? I see you explained the Klitschko & Ortiz situations. I still contend a non-corrupt group would still rank other champions if those champions wanted to fight for the IBF strap as you contend & not follow what you say the other "corrupt" groups do in that regard. Fair enough if Klitschko is being penalized more or less by not accepting a fight with Glazkov. But cmon Teper was the best guy of those ranked? Thats bs & begs of corruption with their rankings or a ole boy network for those who fight for low level alphabet group belts & pay sanctioning fees for them.

And I got more. Just a casual look at the rankings in some divisions:

200lbs
1. NOT RATED
2. NOT RATED
3. Murat Gassiev
4. Marco Huck
5. Micki Nielsen
6. Tony Bellew
7. Olanrewasu Durodola

Really Gassiev should be ahead of Huck & some of these other guys? Oh wait he won a bs minor IBF belt & threw some money into the sanctioning fee collection plate so yea makes sense now.

175lbs
1. Sullivan Barrera
2. Artur Beterbiev
3. Erik Skoglund
4. Andre Ward

Okay the first two guys got their spot for fighting for these #1 & #2 positions that is unique to the IBF which I got issues with, but I also can see the upside with. But cmon Erik Skoglund is ranked higher than Ward? Oh wait Skoglund fought for a bs IBF minor title so fair enough he's the #1 guy who hasn't fought for his position.

168lbs
1. Jose Uzcategui
2. NOT RATED
3. Rogelio Medina
4. Patrick Nielsen
5. Andre Dirrell
6. Callum Smith
7. Jesse Hart
8. Hadillah Mohoumadi
9. Zac Dunn
10. J’Leon Love
11. George Groves
12. Yuzo Kiyota
13. Tyron Zeuge
14. Lucian Bute
15. Julius Jackson

Okay Jose Uzcategui won his spot so fair enough there, but idek how Porky Medina got his spot at all & I'm dying for you to break this one down for me.

Porky's not even fought for a bs minor IBF belt. He's got no respectable wins since beating J'Leon Love in 2014 & most would say thats not THAT respectable I think we would agree. And since Love he has wins over Ernesto Aboyte (0-21-2) in Jan 2015, Luis Acevedo (24-15-5, who hadn't won a fight since 2012 when he beat Levi Perez who was 0-16-1) 3 days later & Samuel Miller (29-10, who had lost 6 of his last 10 fights with his 4 W's coming over a debuting, 0-1, 0-10 & 1-6 fighters lol) in May 2015 & then almost a year of inactivity since. Cmon man GTFO here with this non-corrupt bs!!!!

Do I need to continue to show you that something is up even with your beloved International Boxing Federation or will you admit maybe just maybe something is rotten in Denmark here too?

original zero

the current IBF ratings chairman, anibel miramontes, is certified corrupt - http://www.boxingscene.com/former-ra...ruption--62828

This. I was actually looking for more details about this yesterday without finding much out. Its been a couple years so I assume this has come to a head one way or another, but idk what it is. I noticed on James' linkedin account (or the one that appears to be his, could obviously be a hoax bs acct) he's still listed as a IBF employee, but I couldn't find anything on the IBF website saying he's still employed with them so idk whats going on there. Still interesting there is a claim of IBF corruption on the books as recently as 2011.

[ShoulderRoll]

In one way i think the IBF are right with how strict they are. Fight your mandatories or be stripped. Better than the WBC in that respect. WBC say stuff like a fighter has 15 days to accept a fight with their mandatory, and then the time passes and nothing. They just make allowances for certain fighters.

The problem is the IBF usually have awful rankings so the champions are forced into bad fights.

The WBC does make allowances for certain fighters. Especially if they're Mexican.

The WBO actually dropped Austin Trout from their rankings altogether for a month, conveniently so that Liam Smith could skip over him and get a title shot. They claimed it was accidental and "an oversight."

The WBA is full of retardation. Look how they stripped Rigondeaux for inactivity and made him "champion in recess," giving the top spot to Quigg instead. But one of the reasons Rigo was so inactive was because none of the top guys like Quigg would fight him in the first place!

The IBF rules are quite clear and transparent in comparison. Their rankings might be awful at times but that's just because the promoters know they can manipulate things better with the other alphabet groups so they prefer to go there instead.

[NEETzsche]

The WBC does make allowances for certain fighters. Especially if they're Mexican.

The WBO actually dropped Austin Trout from their rankings altogether for a month, conveniently so that Liam Smith could skip over him and get a title shot. They claimed it was accidental and "an oversight."

The WBA is full of retardation. Look how they stripped Rigondeaux for inactivity and made him "champion in recess," giving the top spot to Quigg instead. But one of the reasons Rigo was so inactive was because none of the top guys like Quigg would fight him in the first place!

The IBF rules are quite clear and transparent in comparison. Their rankings might be awful at times but that's just because the promoters know they can manipulate things better with the other alphabet groups so they prefer to go there instead.

the WBO is the worst imo. it's completely unnecessary and basically just a proxy for bob arum and frank warren. it has worse ratings than the IBF and more ****ery than the WBC