Should boxers boycott the IBF?

[original zero]

Eff Pandas -

I've worked for various promoters over the years and getting your fighters up the rankings of the big 4 is an essential cost of doing business. The IBF is the only of the four that is on the up and up. I still hate them. I still want all the orgs to go out of business, but you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about when you insist all 4 orgs are corrupt. It's not true. The IBF is not corrupt (which is why the IBF is falling off a cliff). Being honorable in boxing is the quickest way to go out of business.

You started the name calling long before anybody else. Calling others corrupt and incompetent with absolutely no proof. When the real issue is that you're ignorant. Clearly knowing absolutely nothing about how the business works when you're complaining that a WBA world champion is not in the IBF rankings. Or complaining when someone is removed from the rankings for turning down a title shot and fighting for a different org instead.

Now you're on some bizarre witch hunt where you insist people are ranked too high, but then refuse to tell us who should be ranked higher.

Then when it's pointed out that time and time again, the IBF makes the decision that is least lucrative, you still insist they are bending the rules to make extra cash and strangely claim it's irrelevant that they're actually doing the exact opposite.

You are the problem because even when an org decides to operate based on honesty and integrity, it doesn't matter because you're still going to consider them the same as the others. So there's really no reason to have any ethics when people like you are going to cry corruption anyway. That's why the WBC, WBA and WBO do whatever the **** they want. You're going to say they're corrupt regardless, so they might as well collect the cash.

I couldn't care less what you think of me, nor do I want you to care what I think of you. You do not matter. My interest is in exposing your lies. Which I've done. And so have many many others.

You continue to insist all 4 orgs are corrupt, but you're dead wrong. One of them has proven repeatedly to be legit, even though going legit is slowly killing them.

[BrometheusBob.]

It's very simple. The IBF is the only governing body that follows their rules and doesn't give preferential treatment to top fighters.

Because they don't break the rules to help top fighters, top fighters prefer to fight for other organizations instead.

The IBF ranks the best fighters that are interested in fighting for the IBF.

The IBF rankings are honest and fair. The problem is that top fighters aren't going to be interested in honest and fair when they can fight for other organizations that are willing to bend the rules for them.

Fans should just stop recognizing the IBF & WBO as "world" titles. They were created in the 1980s out of thin air and have no claim to the lineage of the sport.

The historical world championships, with a hundred year history (IBU, NYSAC, NBA & NSC) are represented by the WBC & WBA.

Fans and media should have never allowed promoters to cram the IBF & WBO down their throat. Two world titles was already too much as it was.

We should stop recognizing world titles all together. One lineal champ per division is plenty.

[original zero]

We should stop recognizing world titles all together. One lineal champ per division is plenty.

Unifying the WBA (NBA) & WBC (NYSAC) is how lineage was established historically.

If you want the sport to have no organization whatsoever, with everyone deciding for themselves who the champion is, go for it, but you're going to end up with 4 guys claiming to be the lineal champion.

As for whether one champ per division is plenty, clearly the fighters, managers, promoters and networks disagree. If one champ per division was plenty, there would be one champ per division.

[Eff Pandas]

You started the name calling long before anybody else. Calling others corrupt and incompetent with absolutely no proof.

Show me proof of the other alphabet groups you imply are corrupt yourself?

You can't can you?

Is it that big a deal to you that you are much more coy & shy in your implying of corruption with the WBA, WBO & WBC that you can't prove than I am with all these groups?

Clearly knowing absolutely nothing about how the business works when you're complaining that a WBA world champion is not in the IBF rankings.

I know its a crazy idea top guys should be ranked in boxing ain't it. Yet I'm the crazy mfer lol. Okay.

Alot of people in boxing got such f#cked up logic like a sort of stockholm syndrome from how boxing works with all the bs they act like common sense is a foreign concept. And then got the balls to call me a dumbass for rooting for common sense in an irrational marketplace.

This is a ole boy-like network if nothing else like I said. You play along, you fight for a minor bs belt & pay the sanctioning fees & we'll move you up the rankings despite you deserving to be ranked that high. The #1 guy is the #1 guy. He shouldn't be the #1 guy cuz he fought for some bs minor belt. At very least thats going on. And thats a problem regardless of how you think "the business should work".

Now you're on some bizarre witch hunt where you insist people are ranked too high, but then refuse to tell us who should be ranked higher.

I noted early on in here that my problems with these groups, including the IBF, are NUMEROUS. Don't go changing my story to fit your narrative.

Then when it's pointed out that time and time again, the IBF makes the decision that is least lucrative, you still insist they are bending the rules to make extra cash and strangely claim it's irrelevant that they're actually doing the exact opposite.

Again you play dense about the things you wanna play dense about. I never said these groups, including the IBF are all bad all day 24/7/365. Is every decision the IBF makes about money? No. I don't think every decision any of these groups make is about money all the time. That would be a silly thing to suggest on my part & a even more silly thing to suggest on your part to claim I'm suggesting.

You are the problem because even when an org decides to operate based on honesty and integrity, it doesn't matter because you're still going to consider them the same as the others. So there's really no reason to have any ethics when people like you are going to cry corruption anyway. That's why the WBC, WBA and WBO do whatever the **** they want. You're going to say they're corrupt regardless, so they might as well collect the cash.

I'm not crying nothing. I'm straight out saying these groups, including the IBF, are a problem. LOL @ honesty & integrity. You think Porky Medina is worthy of being the 2nd highest rated 168lber in the world? And I'm the problem?

And again quit being a knucklehead. The alphabet groups do what they want cuz boxing is a circus-like ran sport with no one really putting money into boxing. Everyone is putting money into their lil pet project in boxing. If some of the respected & influential people in boxing grouped together to make their own NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB, PGA or whatever other league of boxing these corrupt &/or incompetent alphabet groups would be a thing of the past. It has nothing to do with my opinion of them. Or any other fans, including your nutty ass opinion. In fact I'm not even a bacteria on the fly's ass thats on the elephant in the rooms ass with this problem. None of us are. And this whole "you are the problem" thing might be the most dumbass thing I've read on this forum in quite some time so respect for that. Very old coot-ish.

I couldn't care less what you think of me, nor do I want you to care what I think of you. You do not matter.

Again likewise.

You continue to insist all 4 orgs are corrupt, but you're dead wrong. One of them has proven repeatedly to be legit, even though going legit is slowly killing them.

I don't see that any of these groups as having been proven to be a respectable group, who operates in a respectable manner to the sport of boxing & that the boxers deserve. If you wanna act like the IBF is the least stinky turd in the toilet fair enough thats your right, but I see big problems with all these groups that can only reasonably be explained via corruption or incompetence, & I feel the majority of fans do as well, & they all deserve to be flushed.

[original zero]

Eff Pandas -

Show you proof that they are corrupt when you yourself are claiming they are corrupt? No thanks. You're so butthurt about being wrong about the IBF that now you want to argue about things we don't even disagree about. Lame.

You keep saying winning a "BS" title shouldn't move you up the rankings, but all of the titles are nonsense, including the world title. You're obsessed with some fantasy that doesn't exist.

I may not matter either, but at least this stuff pays my bills. You're wasting your time whining and crying for no reason, and worse, you're wrong.

Either you are or are not accusing Medina's promoter of bribing the IBF for his ranking. Which is it? Or do you not know what corruption means? What is the corruption you're accusing the IBF of?

Your accusation doesn't make any sense because if the IBF was on the take, why would they be constantly shooting themselves in the foot and putting the rules before the money? They're literally leaving millions of dollars on the table to follow the rules and you really think Medina's ranking is the result of corruption?

Stop hiding like a coward behing innuendo. Make your accusation like a man and stand behind it.

I don't have to believe Medina is one of the best in the world. The world has nothing to do with this. We're talking about the IBF, the org all the top fighters avoid, so being #3 in the IBF has absolutely nothing to do with being #3 in the world. You could be #30 in the world and be #3 in the IBF if the top fighters prefer to fight for the other orgs.

That is not corruption. That is the reality of enforcing the rules. The best fight for whoever treats them the best and treating them the best consists of bending or breaking the rules for the best.

The IBF doesn't do that. Therefore, Medina is your #3.

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Maybe the IBF means well, but it's not doing well. Stripping Fury was just a very dumb move. I appreciate that they stuck to their word but it just doesn't fit with reality. The other orgs will excuse you for 10 years from fighting a mandatory if you can give them big fights instead.

Fury has a mandatory, contractual rematch with an ATG heavyweight champion and they strip him like a week later, end up with CHARLES MARTIN as their heavyweight champion. That guys like on the periphery of the top 100.

Gotta be something in the middle. They don't have basic exceptions for unifications an rematch clauses and whatnot when its of lineal world HW title magnitude?

[original zero]

Carnivore -

The IBF is not doing well because the top fighters see the IBF as a last resort. It's the least desirable title to a top fighter because the rules are the rules regardless of who you are.

You say stripping Fury was a dumb move, but they had no choice. Fury and Klitschko promised that the winner of their fight would face the overdue IBF mandatory next, then they agreed to a rematch and hid the clause from the IBF to trick the IBF into sanctioning their first fight.

Fury's rematch with Klitschko is a VOLUNTARY defense and there was no basis for the IBF to allow Fury to make a voluntary defense before facing Glazkov.

You guys act like Fury had no choice but to agree to a rematch. That is nonsense. Fury was a mandatory challenger and you can't force a rematch on a mandatory. Fury willingly sold a rematch clause to Klitschko even though he knew it meant giving up the IBF title.

The IBF does make exceptions for unifications, but rematch clauses have never been acknowledged or accepted by any of the orgs. Otherwise two fighters could keep a title hostage for eternity with infinite rematch clauses.

Lineal has nothing to do with anything being discussed. You can't suddenly ignore your mandatory because Carnivore says a fight is of "lineal magnitude." Completely irrelevant.

[Eff Pandas]

You keep saying winning a "BS" title shouldn't move you up the rankings, but all of the titles are nonsense, including the world title. You're obsessed with some fantasy that doesn't exist.

Quit playing dense old coot. You know what I mean with these international, americas or whatever belts.

I may not matter either, but at least this stuff pays my bills. You're wasting your time whining and crying for no reason, and worse, you're wrong.

Old coot still trying to diminish my opinion by suggesting I'm whining & crying instead of saying I'm just admitting what virtually everyone who watches & even those who doesn't watch boxing think about all of these groups including your IBF. You are way more wrong & I'd add delusional then I about this subject.

Either you are or are not accusing Medina's promoter of bribing the IBF for his ranking. Which is it? Or do you not know what corruption means? What is the corruption you're accusing the IBF of?

Your accusation doesn't make any sense because if the IBF was on the take, why would they be constantly shooting themselves in the foot and putting the rules before the money? They're literally leaving millions of dollars on the table to follow the rules and you really think Medina's ranking is the result of corruption?

I haven't admitted to knowing what exactly these groups are or aren't doing only that the results that I see can only reasonably be a result of corruption or incompetence.

Stop hiding like a coward behing innuendo. Make your accusation like a man and stand behind it.

You sure do enjoy being a lil ***** on the internet you nutty old coot you. I'm crying. I'm whining. I'm a coward. All cuz I have an opinion that goes against one that helps you pay your rent allegedly.

I don't have to believe Medina is one of the best in the world. The world has nothing to do with this. We're talking about the IBF, the org all the top fighters avoid, so being #3 in the IBF has absolutely nothing to do with being #3 in the world. You could be #30 in the world and be #3 in the IBF if the top fighters prefer to fight for the other orgs.

That is not corruption. That is the reality of enforcing the rules. The best fight for whoever treats them the best and treating them the best consists of bending or breaking the rules for the best.

The IBF doesn't do that. Therefore, Medina is your #3.

You keep avoiding the obvious or playing dense (or senile) with the rankings like the couple people in here defending the IBF. I'm saying of the guys ranked by the IBF I don't believe Medina is deserving of the 2nd highest position @ 168. If there was a payout involved, if there was incompetence involved or if there is just a set of rules that somehow allows for the outcome of Medina being #2...its a problem & a reasonable person (ie not you apparently) can reasonably conclude there is a problem with this alphabet group that probably involves corruption or incompetence despite having no proof of such.

Its not like everyone didn't think this for years & years before it was actually proven. Just cuz the level of corruption or incompetence isn't known or provable yet doesn't mean it isn't going on. If it looks like a duck, if it walks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck, its a duck.

[original zero]

Nobody is playing dense . . . you just happen to be the real thing. Old coot? I'm in my early 30s . . . try again . . .

I know exactly what you mean about BS regional titles, the problem is that you don't realize all of the titles are BS, including the world title. If being the champion of your continent is BS, being the champion of your planet is BS as well.

You keep claiming that "everyone" agrees with you about the IBF being corrupt, yet in just this thread alone, numerous people have chimed in to let you know that the IBF is legit and you're dead wrong about them.

Yes, you are crying. Yes, you are whining. Yes, you are a coward. Either the IBF is corrupt or it isn't. It's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact. Either you can offer them money to break their rules or you can't.

You want to hide behind innuendo because you don't have the balls to specifically claim that they will break their rules if it's financially advantageous. You just keep crying "corrupt" "corrupt" "corrupt" even though over and over again, the IBF sticks to the rules while letting millions of dollars get away when they do so.

They are the exact opposite of corrupt.

Medina doesn't have the 2nd highest position at 168. He is #3. He reached #3 through attrition, which is how most fighters achieve their rankings.

The IBF is the only org that won't let you reach #1 or #2 through attrition. So Medina is stuck at #3 until he beats another ranked fighter in an official eliminator.

There is nothing corrupt about this process.

So I ask again, do you or do you not believe that Medina is ranked #3 due to his promoter paying a bribe to the IBF? Is that what you're claiming?

It's not our fault that you don't know how boxing works.

If you believe corruption is the reason Medina is ahead of Nielsen, then tell us why Nielsen should be ahead of Medina.

You can't.

You're just a petulant child throwing a temper tantrum because Tyson Fury lied to the IBF and broke his promise to face Glazkov.

[Eff Pandas]

I know exactly what you mean about BS regional titles, the problem is that you don't realize all of the titles are BS, including the world title. If being the champion of your continent is BS, being the champion of your planet is BS as well.

No we actually agree there coot. I understand there is no belt that represents being The Champion nowadays. But obviously you understand in your senility or denseness that there are levels to these belts & that thats what I was talking about. You are a coy coot aren't you.

You keep claiming that "everyone" agrees with you about the IBF being corrupt.

Go make a poll crazy person. I'm supremely confident if you asked boxing fans the simple question of "Do you believe that the IBF is corrupt &/or incompetent" that most people would answer in the affirmative. If you disagree I welcome you to go make a poll & concede defeat afterwards. If you agree with me don't make a poll.

So I ask again, do you or do you not believe that Medina is ranked #3 due to his promoter paying a bribe to the IBF?

If you believe corruption is the reason Medina is ahead of Nielsen, then tell us why Nielsen should be ahead of Medina.

Yawn you old senile coot. I never said either of these things. Quit trying to put words in my mouth cuz your trying to defend the dumb **** you believe.

I've been 100% honest & clear from the strt that I don't know what the angle is with the corruption or incompetence with this group or the other groups for that matter. I simply know you don't get the rankings they have without one of those things. And like I have said from the start this could simply be about a ole boy-like network, cronyism or nepotism form of corruption, but clearly something is going on that shouldn't be going on in a fair & competent body.

I'm sorry if its simply a case of you working with or for an incompetent group & thats why you are trying to push this poorly executed argument that you've made, that largely has been focused on getting me to make specific claims that I've never claimed to know & certainly never said in this thread, but that somehow you see & therefore see as a win for your ****** old coot logic.