Too Short concert or Ward-Barrera?

[TripleK4TripleG]

Can people in Oakland afford tickets to either of those things?

[Pigeons]

yea ward makes a lot of money and loses his promoter tons of money everytime he fights. that's a good thing now? its about how much revenue you generate not how much you get paid. that's how splits are done and that's why ward destroyed his career. the only guys he wanted to fight hbo wouldn't approve and the good fighters he wasn't willing to fight.

Daggum usually I smirk at your posts, but I'm several whiskey shots deep so let me rehash this argument for the tenth time.

Ward has defeated:
Mikkel Kessler (5x champion)
Arthur Abraham (3x champion)
Carl Froch (4x champion)
Chad Dawson (3x champion)

Ward is contracted to fight Kovalev (3x champion) in November: http://espn.go.com/blog/dan-rafael/p...-cottos-return

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[Finito2K]

Daggum usually I smirk at your posts, but I'm several whiskey shots deep so let me rehash this argument for the tenth time.

Ward has defeated:
Mikkel Kessler (5x champion)
Arthur Abraham (3x champion)
Carl Froch (4x champion)
Chad Dawson (3x champion)

Ward is contracted to fight Kovalev (3x champion) in November: http://espn.go.com/blog/dan-rafael/p...-cottos-return

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4-0 against 1 hall of famer and 3 glorified also rans damn near 4 years ago.

Yeah, beating Kovalev should be a breeze.

[Scipio2009]

in the same exact post you say how great ward is because he did a reported 9k against paul smith in his hometown while bashing a kazakh guy who sold 20k at the famous madison square garden 10,000 miles away from his hometown.

i could pick apart your entire post. 3 years of hbo hype machine and ggg went from small crowds to 20k. pretty successful you would think but yet here you are saying otherwise. on the opposite side ward has had over 6 years since the kessler fight and he's doing worse numbers lol.

ggg has sold more than 12k for his next fight in a place he's not even from while ward has only sold 7k in his hometown for his next fight which is much sooner. how can you fail so much?

Golovkin has been pushed by HBO as "the next big thing" for how long, yet he's still got seats open for his big showcase fight at the Forum right now. Golovkin put 20k into MSG, likely at prices below what are generally expected for star fighters, days before the actual event.

Beyond that, quit with this "woe is me for the Kazakh guy" bull****; Golovkin left Kazakhstan to live his life in Germany in 2006, having then moved to and currently living in LA since 2014. The man has fought in Kazakhstan all of a single time in his whole life, yet you want to talk about the distance from his hometown? gtfoh.

Pick apart my entire post if you want; though, knowing your m.o., that's simply another empty threat.

Andre Ward has had two fights on HBO, with only the Chad Dawson fight given the big marketing push from HBO. Gennady Golovkin is heading into his 10th fight on HBO; discount that if you want.

[Scipio2009]

RNS gave away almost have the tix to the Paul Smith fight. This fight should actually "sell" more. The Dawson fight was papered to some degree as well. I read that the Kessler fight did a legit 10k.

As for GGG he did sell out the MSG even if it was days before and look at how many tickets at the Forum he has sold and we are still over a month a way. He has proven to be a way bigger ticket seller than Ward.

Now he's no top guy like a manny pacquiao selling 40k at Cowboys stadium or Canelo at the alamodome but you gotta give him his credit.

I sincerely doubt that Roc Nation gave away half of the tix to the Paul Smith fight, though I have no way to prove/disprove that; from a person who bought a ticket and was in the building for the fight, it sure didn't feel like much of a paper crowd (the reaction for Ward, including the moments when he opened up and finally closed out the show, made it seem like folks were rallying behind someone they put money up for).

The pricing for Golovkin-Wade is similar to the pricing for Ward-Barrera and Ward-Smith; what the pricing for the last fight at The Forum I'm not sure, but Golovkin's ticket prices have been generally lower (Oracle Arena being limited to only the lower bowl sets the configuration at 12k-13k to sell out).

Just making the point that, as draws, Golovkin isn't all that much bigger a draw than Ward is in his home market, and Golovkin has had the machine behind him for a bit now.

[vaborikua2014]

Stay at home beating my meat

[Scipio2009]

Your forgetting sponsorship money, which was more than any previous GGG fight and international rights fees. So yeah, I do think they broke even.

Besides a promoter's job is to promote. K2 is in the GGG business for the long haul.

"more than any previous GGG fight" doesn't mean that the sponsors through $2m or $3m at the fight; sponsors could've easily put $700k towards the GGG fight, rather than $500k, and you could spin the same story.

PPV is generally where most of the money comes in on these big fights, and Golovkin-Lemieux, almost regardless of what the real number ended up being, brought in maybe $2m off of the PPV. You then figure the live gate weighed against the costs of staging the fight, and the path to netting even $4m on the event gets dicier.

K2 is in the Golovkin business but, at some point, he's got to bring some profits to the company.

[Scipio2009]

They ignore all those inconvenient facts lol
Ward said he would fight Bute.
Bute was #2 at SMW by most opinions, was undefeated, had the IBF belt, better performances than Ward vs common opponents and offered a career high payday. Even offered to fight Ward in Oakland for some dumb reason and Ward did not want it
The sweat on his forehead hadn't even evaporated after the Super6 final and he talked his way out of that fight lol

Bute, like every other top 168 fighter, had an open opportunity to participate in the Super Six tournament. Believing himself to be beyond the other 168lbers, Bute figured that he could sit out, let all the other top guys fight each other, and then take one massive fight against whomever emerges from the battle.

Ward, in kinder language, argued "**** that noise; I'm not gonna let you take advantage of the top guys setting the field. fight somebody first".

Bute stepped in with Carl Froch, the guy that Ward beat, rather convincingly, to win the tournament, and got KTFO for his troubles. moving on

[Dobie G]

Not towards anyone in particular but I'm seeing some insanity here.

Ward does not sell. Simple and plain. He's an amazing fighter. He was not favored in the Super 6 and basically shut out everyone. That changes nothing. Getting 10k in Oakland when before Steph Curry, there was NOTHING in Oakland but the losing Raiders. That same place sells out with a guess of 18k every home game for the Warriors.

He's not fan friendly. Not his fault but that's real ****.

As for GGG running from him, when was the last time Ward saw 168? 3 years ago. Let's stop with the silly isht. It's a great fantasy fight and if GGG had something to gain (Supermiddle belt) it's fantastic but as soon as Ward came back from his exile, he was what, 172? He will nor could see 168 and you can't duck a person bigger than you. Sorry, doesn't work that way.

GGG sold out the Forum and Stub Hub he had the biggest crowd for a boxing match ever and that includes Marquez/Vasquez III. Maybe I'm wrong but Mexicans and not Russians rule SoCal boxing. Still he had them add extra seats which has never happened before.

Ward is a Lt Heavy. GGG is a middle. Get over it. BOth are great fighters and that coward isht from some of ya'll is comedy. Keyboard heroes? Ok.

[Finito2K]

wtf?

Ward-Kessler, at Oracle Arena, put over 10k people into the building. Ward-Dawson, at Oracle Arena, put over 10k people into the building. Ward-Smith, at Oracle Arena, put about 10k people into the build.

As of about 20 minutes ago, Ward-Barrera looks to have already sold over 7k tickets for the fight, with two weekends to go. I have no doubt that the total gets over 10k once fight night comes about.

Ward's not Floyd Mayweather or anything, but to act like he's only "drawing garbage crowds" is really disrespectful.

3 years of the HBO hype machine and Golovkin's not selling out venues; MSG only "sold out" within days of the fight, and The Forum still has over 20% of the seats available with a month to go (and the tickets already having been on sale for a month at this point).

don't kid yourself

Dude you a seriously butthurt! Do you usually catch feelings like this over someone who doesn't know you?

Andre Ward couldn't get 10K into Oracle if Steph Curry was shooting 3's and giving away money!

Attendance for GGG's last 4 fights
GGG-Rubio at StubHub (with additional seats)- Sold out.
GGG-Monroe at The Forum - 12,372 out of 17,000 seats
GGG-Lemieux at MSG - Sold Out.
GGG-Wade - 20% of 17,000 is 3400. So by your calculation 13,600 tix have been sold with a little over a month to go. I'm betting on another sell out.

Ward is fighting in his own backyard and only 7,000 have bought tickets to see him? If you can't even sell out at home than it's safe to assume that you draw garbage crowds.

Start crying if you still think I'm being disrespectful