The problem with a lot of PBC fighters

[deanrw]

The problem with PBC is the same problem the rest of the sport is having. Inactivity

You cannot build a star by fighting easy fights and infrequently on top of it. This twice a year fighting schedule most are doing does not create momentum.

The sport as a whole is sucking lately. The PBC is just another perpetrator/victim of the times and loss of fan interest.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

So, you thought PBC was going to reverse 40 plus years of 'the business of boxing' AND create a new generation of big names and PPV stars in less than one year?

And accomplish all of this while being fought tooth and nail by competitors (HBO), sued (Top Rank, Golden Boy) and being under a steady stream of hate from the traditional 'boxing media' (The Fight Game and Hauser from HBO, Rafael and ESPN, Steve Kim, Doug Fischer, etc.)

Is that a realistic expectation to have? Seriously.

I expected them to have their own belts, match their guys tough like mma organizations do, not have BS catchweights, have a easier schedule to follow..
They could have become a viable alternative in boxing, and would have set themselves apart from the sanctioning bodies

It's not too much to ask.

Literally, garcia, khan, thurman, Porter, Russell, wilder, etc are all in the same spots they were in 2 years ago,,,

You can't name one difference between PBC and the status quo.. Just different channels

[Sugar Adam Ali]

They are in the shadows of Mayweather, Pacquiao and Cotto but weren't good enough to beat them and take the torch. Plus boxing's got more of an international presence now so your stars are overseas.

Look at Canelo. All he had to do was win 4-5 rounds to take the torch from Mayweather but he got shutout. Oscar was in a similar situation and did enough to get a decision over Sweet Pea even though 14 out of 26 ringside obsevers felt sweet pea won. The decision goes to the young guy with the upside and earning potential.

Those torch passing fights are the fights that create new stars.

Boxing just one year ago reached its pinnacle and the largest event of all time took place. The rebuilding will take time.

Never in the history of boxing has it had a single major draw in his prime.. And he isn't even in the same ballpark as other guys in his spot in the past...

And when has Boxing ever needed to "rebuild"

Ali-fab four-tyson-evander,bowe,chavez-shane, roy, Oscar, tito,- morales, barrera, prince, lennox- floyd, cotto, manny...

boxing use to be filled with stars,,, but now it's dwindled down to nothing,, just a bunch of regional stars but no one near the levels of floyd, tyson, Oscar, ali, leonard, robinson, louis etc...

[Sugar Adam Ali]

You know that that's a lie right?

Garcia:
-vs Guerrero (headline on FOX)
-vs Malignaggi (headline on ESPN)
-vs Peterson (headline on NBC)

Thurman:
[vs Porter (headline on CBS)]
-vs Collazo (headline on ESPN)
-vs Guerrero (headline on NBC)

Porter:
[vs Thurman (headline on CBS)]
-vs Broner (headline on NBC)
-vs Bone (co-feature on SpikeTV)

The viewer numbers are available in the message boards here; don't know the numbers off the top of my head, but, counting the fight averages, 6m people saw Danny's last three fights and ~5m saw Thurman's last two fights.

Lmao.... It's the same people watching the fights,,, it's not 5 million people watching Thurman's last 2 fights, it's the same 2.5 million watching each time..

Guess what, when thurman Porter fight, it will be the same number, same for danny...


Lmao.,, y'all can't see the forest from the trees...

Conor mccgregor's first headlining card was in foxsports one January of 2015,, in about 14 months they built him into a million plus PPv buys star... Exact same time period as PBC been around... And no stars to show for it.. Why, because horrible matchmaking..

Example,,, Santa cruz and Russell both have huge wins over mares n jhonny, and should have been matched together in a big event, but instead they sit out for months and comeback vs TBA.. Same thing with thurman, great win over ghost, nothing sense but TBA.. Wilder, huge win over stiverne,, nothing but TBA..

How the **** can you have thurman, Porter, khan and danny, all in their primes and not have these dudes fighting it out... Ufc would have matched them up, winners fight, losers fight, and the fans win,, that's how you build stars, not by giving the, hopeless mismatches.
That's why boxing has to pay to be on network TV and ufc is GETTING PAID 100 million+ to be on network TV... One provides a good product, solid matchups and keeps fans satisfied, and the other is basically the same old snake oil salesman selling you nothing but mismatches with the "promise" of big fights down the road...

[Scipio2009]

I think some of the younger fighters are being brought along pretty well but guys like Garcia and Thurman are disappointments to me. They're already established and seem to content. Garcia's father even said it's not about fighting the best it's about the money. People are hard on Broner but he's one of the few that will take on tough comp. He skipped over a weight class and fought Paulie and then Maidana. Garcia moves up one weight class and fights Paulie and then Guerrero. A guy like Spence should be fighting Guerrero not Garcia. And the younger guys with talent aren't even attempting to build themselves. Where is Jermall Charlo? No fights scheduled. Fought ****in Campfort after winning the title and has faded into obscurity. He'll probably only fight twice this year. He should be fighting 3-4 times a year and then I could understand fighting the Wilky Campfort's of the world.

Matchups are key; Jermall Charlo just had his mandatory challenger determined (the late November date, in all likelihood, probably lined up with the end of his voluntary challenger period). With the challenger now being determined, Jermall and his camp will have to make a decision.

Danny Garcia, after spending the bulk of his amateur career at the weight and the first 7 years of his pro career at 140, finally physically moved out of the division; paydays aside, Angel Garcia is prudently moving along the career of his som, not rushing into anything and weighing every option as it comes along. Danny Garcia is basically angling to fight the Thurman-Porter winner in the near future, so it's not like he's afraid to fight. (Keith Thurman has wanted to get big fights for years now, his ambition and starpower simply hadn't lined up just yet.

[Scipio2009]

I expected them to have their own belts, match their guys tough like mma organizations do, not have BS catchweights, have a easier schedule to follow..
They could have become a viable alternative in boxing, and would have set themselves apart from the sanctioning bodies

It's not too much to ask.

Literally, garcia, khan, thurman, Porter, Russell, wilder, etc are all in the same spots they were in 2 years ago,,,

You can't name one difference between PBC and the status quo.. Just different channels

Boxing has been a main sport since the 1900s, with the oldest current governing body having a history that goes back 60 years, yet you expected PBC to simply create their own history out of thin air? lol

[Scipio2009]

Lmao.... It's the same people watching the fights,,, it's not 5 million people watching Thurman's last 2 fights, it's the same 2.5 million watching each time..

Guess what, when thurman Porter fight, it will be the same number, same for danny...


Lmao.,, y'all can't see the forest from the trees...

Conor mccgregor's first headlining card was in foxsports one January of 2015,, in about 14 months they built him into a million plus PPv buys star... Exact same time period as PBC been around... And no stars to show for it.. Why, because horrible matchmaking..

Example,,, Santa cruz and Russell both have huge wins over mares n jhonny, and should have been matched together in a big event, but instead they sit out for months and comeback vs TBA.. Same thing with thurman, great win over ghost, nothing sense but TBA.. Wilder, huge win over stiverne,, nothing but TBA..

How the **** can you have thurman, Porter, khan and danny, all in their primes and not have these dudes fighting it out... Ufc would have matched them up, winners fight, losers fight, and the fans win,, that's how you build stars, not by giving the, hopeless mismatches.
That's why boxing has to pay to be on network TV and ufc is GETTING PAID 100 million+ to be on network TV... One provides a good product, solid matchups and keeps fans satisfied, and the other is basically the same old snake oil salesman selling you nothing but mismatches with the "promise" of big fights down the road...

Funny how 2.5m people watching them fight is counted as "no hype being put behind their fights" (for arguments sake, Thurman's NBC average was over 3.1m viewers).

The PBC effort has raised the profiles for a lot of PBC's fighters; that way, when the big matchups actually happen, this expanded viewing audience will be interested in the fights.

Leo Santa Cruz beats Abner Mares (in a massive fight in LA on ESPN) and what happens next? He gets the opportunity to headline his own event, from the Honda Center in the LA area, with matchups against Frampton, Selby(IBF) and RussellJr(WBC) still in the cue. Gary Russell Jr suffered an injury, scuttling his headline return fight for Showtime; to fill that opportunity, GRJ was penciled into the main event of the Showtime split main event for Thurman-Porter (according to BoxRec, he's now in the main event for the 4/16 Foxwoods show on Showtime).

hilarious to see how far your hate has pushed you.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Boxing has been a main sport since the 1900s, with the oldest current governing body having a history that goes back 60 years, yet you expected PBC to simply create their own history out of thin air? lol

Well Haymon does have a lot of major fighters..

Already spent hundreds of millions buying TV slots on every channel known to man...

I would have bought every Saturday night in spikeTV,

My first few cards would have been 4 man tournaments to crown PBC champs..
Example-- garcia vs khan, Porter vs thurman,, winners meet for title..
Treat it like an mma organization and make tough matchups everytime..

After Russell jr best jhonny and Santa cruz beat mares, I would have matched them up for the PBC featherweight title..

These were all easy things to do, but instead they have random scheduling, don't build off any big wins, and is basically no different than the status quo crap from sanctioning bodies, arum, hbo, showtime...

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Funny how 2.5m people watching them fight is counted as "no hype being put behind their fights" (for arguments sake, Thurman's NBC average was over 3.1m viewers).

The PBC effort has raised the profiles for a lot of PBC's fighters; that way, when the big matchups actually happen, this expanded viewing audience will be interested in the fights.

Leo Santa Cruz beats Abner Mares (in a massive fight in LA on ESPN) and what happens next? He gets the opportunity to headline his own event, from the Honda Center in the LA area, with matchups against Frampton, Selby(IBF) and RussellJr(WBC) still in the cue. Gary Russell Jr suffered an injury, scuttling his headline return fight for Showtime; to fill that opportunity, GRJ was penciled into the main event of the Showtime split main event for Thurman-Porter (according to BoxRec, he's now in the main event for the 4/16 Foxwoods show on Showtime).

hilarious to see how far your hate has pushed you.

Lmao... I have no hate... Check my post history,,, I have been a big supporter of PBC but after over a year of shows, they have literally nothing to show for it...

But I'm also a realist,, and it's clear that PBC has fumbled a lot in their first 15 months..

But it's boxing fans like yourself that have allowed the sport to go down the drain,,, your perfectly happy with 99% of matchups being cherrypicks...

Tell me a fighter that took 2 or 3 big fights in a row... In mma they do it all the time and that's why they create stars and boxing's star power is dwindling..


You never answered my question- how can Conor mccgregor headline his first card in January 2015 and then reel off 3 straight blockbuster PPVs selling million buys, and PBC hasn't made one guy out of an entire stable?? Why is that??

And Conor's debut headline vs Dennis siver on foxsports1 got higher ratings than any Pbc card to date... Why is that??

How come no network is willing to pay for boxing, yet they all are lined up to pay for mma...
NBC funds World Series of fighting
Viacom/spikeTV funds bellator
Fox funds ufc
Axs funds Lion, legacy, Titan, one fc, etc

Every major mma company has network TV backing,,, Why? Because mma organizations constantly make competitive matchups, have legit titles and contenders... Networks won't touch boxing because boxing doesn't provide good matchups on a regular basis, has little to none brand recognition, few legit champs or contenders,.. PBC had a chance to seperate itself from the crap that is boxing, and should be ran like an mma company, but instead they are no different than arum and the sanctioning bodies

[Nubia]

Not capitalizing from big wins is something they really do need to work on as mentioned in this thread. But surely they know that right? I mean, it's common sense. The question is why aren't they doing it?