155 = 164

[kafkod]

champions have defended titles at CW before, if you think being a mandatory makes a difference regarding history, let me tell you no one will give a ****, the word mandatory isn't magical, canelo asking other middleweights to drop a single pound to fight for a MW title is unfair mandatory or not... and believe me history will not make a difference only cuz ggg was a mandatory or a super duper mandatory...

This is a very ignorant post.

Without mandatory defences there would be nothing to stop a boxer winning a world title then keeping hold of it till he was too old to even climb into a ring, without ever defending it against any of the top contenders in that division.

As for "history" ... how the heck do you know what boxing historians will be writing about the present era in 10, 25, 50 years time, and why do you even care about that?

Let boxing fans here and now see the best men men in each division fighting for titles at 100% strength and fitness.

The future can take care of itself, like it always does.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Asking for a compromise?

Is this before or after he said on NATIONAL TV he'll fight Ward at 168 or 172?

Which one? I forget? Did Dawson say that, or is Ward a shape-shifter? I could of sworn Dawson said that....................

So when Ward says he can fight Floyd at 160, and refused 164 for GGG, he ducked?

[Razcal26]

So when Ward says he can fight Floyd at 160, and refused 164 for GGG, he ducked?

Nice try.
Hopkins said he would fight Floyd at 160. Why aren't you holding his feet to the fire?

Because he's not a threat to beat your boy?
You guys that scared of Ward?
Ward has moved up in weight and going to actually fight guys in his weight class. He will acquiesce to the demands and win the fight. No silly CW demands, no silly nonsense of saying he will beat everybody at a certain weight and then backing out. Straight business.

He's at 175 now, get over him.

[kafkod]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

The fight was for the WBC LHW title because Lalonde was the title holder. The WBC SMW title was created JUST for that fight. The fought for both belts at 168.

The LHW champion was brought down to 168 to defend his belt simply because SRL wanted to be a 5 weight champ. SRL had to vacate the belt because he REFUSED to fight any of the LHWs unless it was at the CW he wanted. He even celebrated vacating it. It was a sham.

There is a reason he never fought at LHW again and stayed at 168.
What he did with that LHW belt is exactly what Canelo is doing now with the MW strap. The only difference is, Canelo won't vacate.

Get real. SRL did EXACTLY (Worse actually) what you people are whining about. Canelo is just seeing it through.

Ok, he did EXACTLY the same ... but the only difference is ... blah blah.

If he did EXACTLY the same, the wouldn't be ANY difference, you tit.

Leonard relinquished the LHW title as soon as he won it. He never tried to defend it against anyone.

Canelo DIDN'T relinquish the MW title as soon as he won it. He kept the title and is defending it at the same catchweight he won it at.

That is a BIG difference.

[robertzimmerman]

How were they not the same? What SRL was worse. You try that now, you'll be racked through the coals for stuff like that.

That happened all the time in the 70s and 60s. The reason why it never got the scrutiny it gets now is because of the very light coverage.

Ray didn't win the lineal LHW title, and then refuse to defend against fellow titlists even though he outweighed them on fight night.

That's the biggest joke regarding what Canelo's doing.

So it's not exactly the same, but it's almost the same.

You've made some great points though.

[Pigeons]

It has been a joy exposing Golovkin over the past few months. Now the world sees what I saw all along.

[kafkod]

So when Ward says he can fight Floyd at 160, and refused 164 for GGG, he ducked?

Nah, Ward was only joking when he said he would have no problem making 160 for Floyd.

Andre is noted for his zany sense of humour ... remember when he fooled us all into thinking he was really trying to make a fight with that young Aussie kid nobody ever heard of before?

That was hilarious!

[Razcal26]

Ok, he did EXACTLY the same ... but the only difference is ... blah blah.

If he did EXACTLY the same, the wouldn't be ANY difference, you tit.

Leonard relinquished the LHW title as soon as he won it. He never tried to defend it against anyone.

Canelo DIDN'T relinquish the MW title as soon as he won it. He kept the title and is defending it at the same catchweight he won it at.

That is a BIG difference.

Not really.

SRL only relinquished because the of the backlash the WBC was getting for their preferential treatment of SRL. They made a SMW title just for him to win FFS. SRL even said that he thought of defending LHW belt, but the WBC made it clear that the CW was not going to be allowed as all the other fighters were pissed.

He was still going to do it and the WBC was going to allow him to do it. Just like they are allowing Canelo to do right now.
There really is no difference except for the fact that GGG ALLOWED Canelo to have a voluntary fight. SRL didn't have that option.

If GGG really wanted that belt, he would of said forget that, you're fighting me next. He didn't, because fighting Canelo means more to him than the belt.

All you guys screaming and crying about Canelo and that he should vacate are so lost. GGG wants to fight Canelo, the belt is second to him.

If GGG had a choice: either fight Canelo or fight for his vacated belt, which on do you think he is choosing?

Also, just for you guys: This fight (LHW vs Lelonde) and his 164 catchweight for the SuperMiddle Belts against Hearns (the 3rd Duran fight was also SuperMiddle, neither man weighed more than 160) are the reason why the world remembers Sugar Ray Leonard as the cherry picking catchweight king.

[Raonic]

I agree. The 164 and 155 are equally bull**** if they were both for world titles.

[Razcal26]

Ray didn't win the lineal LHW title, and then refuse to defend against fellow titlists even though he outweighed them on fight night.

Who cares?

He refused to defend to belt against other LHW unless at a CW and then decided to just **** on the belt by vacating it.

It's the same, SRL was just near the end of his career at the time.