155 = 164

[FrankieClutch]

$$$$ /=/ $

I know people hate to hear it, and I certainly wish this problem didn't exist, but if Canelo didn't bring in the money that he does, GGG wouldn't be waiting on him. On the flip side, if Ward brought in similar money to Canelo, that fight would've happened.

It sucks, but this is a business. I wish GGG would fight Canelo and Ward, but it was always going to be one or the other if Ward was moving up to 175

[SilverMiles]

We're talking about fighting for a belt at a catchweight and then refusing o fight anyone who didn't agree to his terms right?

SRL did the same thing. He went into the LHW division and forced the Champ Lelonde to agree to fight him at 167. He beat him and took his belts and in the process he won the WBC Super Middle weight title as a bonus, a belt literally created just so SRL can call himself a 5 weight champ.

The dude never even defended his LHW belt because everyone refused the CW and he only defended his SMW title against Hearns.

That is shady, ridiculous ****. If ANY boxer did that today, they would be crucified.

A. That's not what we was taking about and you went and changed your narrative like I knew you would do.

B. And it was a ***** move by Leonard I'll give you that but still Lalonde was bigger and it was one fight. It not a fight Leonard built his legacy on. It's 1 fight opposed to 5 and against a bigger man.

So you're 25% right, Leonard used his pull to get a bogus LHW title and forced Lalonde down to an uncomfortable weight.

[kafkod]

What? I'm sorry, I had to stop reading after I saw this line. Are you serious?

SRL did the SAME (if not worse) thing.

Fake outcry, fake justice, blah blah blah.

There is no degrees to this................... a catchweight is a catchweight.

People are STILL hating on Ward to this day for fighting Dawson at a CW even though Dawson was the one who SUGGESTED it.

This isn't a recent trend. Some of you guys are exposing yourselves right now.

CW for titles are recent? Are you serious? Really, do some of y'all know ANYTHING about the history of this sport?

We are not talking about winning world titles at catchweights, we are talking about DEFENDING them.

No world champion, in the history of boxing, has ever asked for a catchweight for a mandatory defence.

[Razcal26]

A. That's not what we was taking about and you went and changed your narrative like I knew you would do.

B. And it was a ***** move by Leonard I'll give you that but still Lalonde was bigger and it was one fight. It not a fight Leonard built his legacy on. It's 1 fight opposed to 5 and against a bigger man.

So you're 25% right, Leonard used his pull to get a bogus LHW title and forced Lalonde down to an uncomfortable weight.

What narrative? I said CWs for belts have been done throughout decades of boxing and used SRL as an example of it.

B. Who cares if it is for one fight? It is a scandalous move period, however, it has happened throughout the history of the sport. Also, SRL did build another chunk of his legacy on that, he became a 5 weight champion! (He thought he was the first but Hearns beat him to it)

C. I'm 100% right. SRL used his pull to win a belt at a CW (forced the CHAMP down), then held the belt at ransom and refused to fight anyone at the full LHW limit unless they fought him at his CW.

Same thing Canelo is doing, the only difference is that people are actually willing to fight Canelo.

[Fetta]

i agree.

What Canelo is doing, GGG tried to

[Razcal26]

We are not talking about winning world titles at catchweights, we are talking about DEFENDING them.

No world champion, in the history of boxing, has ever asked for a catchweight for a mandatory defence.

Are you guys slow?

Let me help you guys:

SRL refused to defend his LHW title against anybody (including mandatorys) in the LHW division unless they agreed to his CW. (Bob Arum inspired)

It's the same fcking thing.

[just the facts]

What they said was "50/50 money and weight."

That was a fair offer, considering that GGG would be bringing the money, not Ward.

Loeffler said recently that if Ward got his buzz going and came back to them, they would budge on the catchweight request.

And it wouldn't have been for Ward's titles. Both Sanchez and Golovkin said they would never ask for a catchweight for a title fight.

And the g string excuse train keeps rolling. Pushing 35 and no quality wins yet and no concrete plans to fight a quality opponent.

[icha]

We are not talking about winning world titles at catchweights, we are talking about DEFENDING them.

No world champion, in the history of boxing, has ever asked for a catchweight for a mandatory defence.

champions have defended titles at CW before, if you think being a mandatory makes a difference regarding history, let me tell you no one will give a ****, the word mandatory isn't magical, canelo asking other middleweights to drop a single pound to fight for a MW title is unfair mandatory or not... and believe me history will not make a difference only cuz ggg was a mandatory or a super duper mandatory...

[Rip Chudd]

There is no degrees to this................... a catchweight is a catchweight.

People are STILL hating on Ward to this day for fighting Dawson at a CW even though Dawson was the one who SUGGESTED it.

This isn't a recent trend. Some of you guys are exposing yourselves right now.

CW for titles are recent? Are you serious? Really, do some of y'all know ANYTHING about the history of this sport?

Except Ward didn't fight Dawson at a catchweight. The fight was at 168, that's the Super Middleweight limit.

[Razcal26]

Except Ward didn't fight Dawson at a catchweight. The fight was at 168, that's the Super Middleweight limit.

My mistake.

You know what I mean though, people are saying that Ward drained him even though Dawson suggested dropping the weight.

Ward still gets stick for that fight today.