155 = 164

[HeroBando]

No, Algieri wanted the full 147. Pacquiao wanted a CW to prevent Algieri from putting on extra weight and being as strong as possible. You can try a spin it but it isn't going to work.

Right, hes a "purist". But he should have checked with his team first, who wanted 144 to allow him to go back down and defend that belt after losing. Also made it seem like less of a mismatch.

So no counterexamples to Canelo unprecedented demands? You need more time?

[i'm a fun haver]

A catchweight is a catchweight, regardless of who holds a belt in whatever division. If you're going to demand a catchweight then you have no recourse to refuse a catchweight fight when someone who has more leverage than you demands one.

It's beyond hypocritical for the Triple Duck to ask Ward for a 164lb catchweight in one breath only to turn around and refuse to fight Alvarez @ 155lbs. Anyone who would justify this type of hypocrisy only proves themselves to be a fanboi and nut guzzler...

Read the WBC's rules, ****stick.
No catchweights in title fights unless both parties agree to it.
Rub both of those braincells together and understand this:
Golovkin isn't the lineal SMW champ and SMW belt holder forcing people to fight him at catchweights below the SMW limit.
Andre Ward isn't GGG's SMW mandatory.
There was never an offer to fight Ward at 164lbs. Ward wasn't fighting anyone at the time because he chose inactivity.
Tom Loeffler told Dan Rafael that they would force Ward to fight at 164 because GGG is the bigger draw. Dan Rafael reported it, you and the rest of the swagf@gs and ignorant w*ggers ran with it.

Team Belts Don't Matter constantly proved wrong on a weekly basis.
They go online and talk about how titles don't matter when the fighters are actually fighting for and paying sanctioning fees for those titles lol

[Nay_Sayer]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

The fight was for the WBC LHW title because Lalonde was the title holder. The WBC SMW title was created JUST for that fight. The fought for both belts at 168.

The LHW champion was brought down to 168 to defend his belt simply because SRL wanted to be a 5 weight champ. SRL had to vacate the belt because he REFUSED to fight any of the LHWs unless it was at the CW he wanted. He even celebrated vacating it. It was a sham.

There is a reason he never fought at LHW again and stayed at 168.
What he did with that LHW belt is exactly what Canelo is doing now with the MW strap. The only difference is, Canelo won't vacate.

Get real. SRL did EXACTLY (Worse actually) what you people are whining about. Canelo is just seeing it through.

Quoted for truth..

[Nay_Sayer]

Lie? So Dawson asking Ward for a compromise is a lie?

Fighting Ward @ 168 was Dawson's idea.

[Nay_Sayer]

It has been a joy exposing Golovkin over the past few months. Now the world sees what I saw all along.

Quoted for truth..

[Nay_Sayer]

Bro, GGG and Ward don't fight in the same division.

That doesn't at all detract from my original point.

GGG and Canelo are both champions in the same division.

First, Canelo is the champion @ MW. Bumlovkin is a titlist. Big difference.

That's the problem. Im good either way though cuz i ain't even feeling lil g right about now but I can't argue against the fact they're both middleweight champions.

Second, the fact that they both fight in the same division also doesn't detract from my original point. 155 = 164. A catchweight is a catchweight. It is very hypocritical of Team Triple Duck to demand a 164lb catchweight for Ward [all while having agreed to fight other SMWs @ the full 168lb limit] but on the other hand refuse to fight Alvarez @ 155lbs. That is the very definition of hypocrisy and anyone who doesn't hold Bumlovkin's feet to the fire for ducking Ward or refusing the 155lb catchweight proves themselves nothing other than a fanboi and nut guzzler...

[Nay_Sayer]

Fighting a guy in your division, who holds a title, at a catchweight, is not the same as meeting someone at a higher weight class in the middle of two divisions. How can you not see that? People on this website are some of the dumbest people I've ever encountered.

The problem with your logic is that a) a catchweight is a catchweight regardless of who holds what title in whatever weightclass b) Bumlovkin had no problems agreeing to 168lbs for other SMWs and c) asking Ward for a 164lb catchweight in light of point b is both hypocritical and a DUCK.

[Nay_Sayer]

At least Canelo isn't seeking fights at 160 and only asking Lil G for a catchweight, like Lil G did to Ward.

Quoted for truth...

[Nay_Sayer]

Read the WBC's rules, ****stick.
No catchweights in title fights unless both parties agree to it.
Rub both of those braincells together and understand this:
Golovkin isn't the lineal SMW champ and SMW belt holder forcing people to fight him at catchweights below the SMW limit.
Andre Ward isn't GGG's SMW mandatory.
There was never an offer to fight Ward at 164lbs. Ward wasn't fighting anyone at the time because he chose inactivity.
Tom Loeffler told Dan Rafael that they would force Ward to fight at 164 because GGG is the bigger draw. Dan Rafael reported it, you and the rest of the swagf@gs and ignorant w*ggers ran with it.

Team Belts Don't Matter constantly proved wrong on a weekly basis.
They go online and talk about how titles don't matter when the fighters are actually fighting for and paying sanctioning fees for those titles lol

Another knuckle-dragging nut guzzling Bumlovkinite who failed reading comprehension...

[robertzimmerman]

Who cares?

He refused to defend to belt against other LHW unless at a CW and then decided to just **** on the belt by vacating it.

It's the same, SRL was just near the end of his career at the time.

I was merely pointing out that the two situations weren't exactly the same.

They were almost the same though.

You're right, Ray started the ball rolling in the 80's, and they both make boxing look bad.

But personally, I think what Canelo is doing is slightly worse, as he weighed 172 against Trout.