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  • HeroBando
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    #121
    Originally posted by emre belozoglu
    He shouldn't have to but it would be better for his career he's so good that going down is only a bit of a risk and he needs to get on track and fast because he's struggling for good fights (not his fault) and him asking ward for a catchweight undermines his stance a bit aswell
    Really doesn't, since he would have been thrilled if he got the "Ward offer" from Canelo. He doesn't mind a CW, he's got a problem unifying 3 belts vs lineal champ at 155. Loeffler said, Canelo vacates and CW is in play. If challenger Canelo offers 157 and 50/50, Ggg is ecstatic

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    • b00g13man
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      #122
      Originally posted by robertzimmerman
      It wasn't the same thing.
      A catchweight is a catchweight. End of. You're either for, or against them.

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        #123
        Originally posted by b00g13man
        A catchweight is a catchweight. End of. You're either for, or against them.
        No it's not, **** for brains. Prospects fight at CWs all the time. Fcuking Canelo done nothing but CW for 3 years straight, but once no belts involved,nobody cares. And 148 is a LOT worse than 152, right? Use brains this time

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          #124
          Originally posted by HeroBando
          No it's not, **** for brains. Prospects fight at CWs all the time. Fcuking Canelo done nothing but CW for 3 years straight, but once no belts involved,nobody cares. And 148 is a LOT worse than 152, right? Use brains this time
          Take your tears elsewhere bruh.

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            #125
            Originally posted by b00g13man
            Take your tears elsewhere bruh.
            Yup you're better off with that than trying to make a point, see above

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            • b00g13man
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              #126
              Originally posted by HeroBando
              Yup you're better off with that than trying to make a point, see above

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                #127
                Originally posted by HeroBando
                Really doesn't, since he would have been thrilled if he got the "Ward offer" from Canelo. He doesn't mind a CW, he's got a problem unifying 3 belts vs lineal champ at 155. Loeffler said, Canelo vacates and CW is in play. If challenger Canelo offers 157 and 50/50, Ggg is ecstatic
                I don't think he has the time or options for his principals

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                  #128
                  Originally posted by Nay_Sayer
                  A catchweight is a catchweight, regardless of who holds a belt in whatever division. If you're going to demand a catchweight then you have no recourse to refuse a catchweight fight when someone who has more leverage than you demands one.

                  It's beyond hypocritical for the Triple Duck to ask Ward for a 164lb catchweight in one breath only to turn around and refuse to fight Alvarez @ 155lbs. Anyone who would justify this type of hypocrisy only proves themselves to be a fanboi and nut guzzler...
                  It's not hypocritical and you can't just dismiss the context of the matter by saying "A catchweight is a catchweight, regardless of who holds a belt in whatever division". Context is everything.

                  When there are two guys in the same division and they should be fighting, a catchweight should not be necessary, especially one so low that it's only a pound above the previous division.

                  However, all throughout boxing history, we've had champions from lower divisions moving up to fight guys in a higher division at a catchweight, from Armstrong to Leonard. It helps close the gap in size so all that remains is the skill, talent and grit of the fighters involved, instead of there being some huge size disparity.

                  If Canelo is too small for middleweight, let him move back down to light middle where he can fight guys like the Charlo brothers or Andrade instead of masquerading as a middleweight champion.

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                    #129
                    Originally posted by b00g13man
                    A catchweight is a catchweight. End of. You're either for, or against them.
                    No it isn't.

                    It depends what the circumstances are.

                    Sometimes they're good for boxing, sometimes they're bad.

                    A traditional CW is for fighters of different divisions who can meet to make a great fight.

                    Canelo's CW demand is complete BS. He's the lineal champ, he's previously weighed 172 on fight night, and GG's his mandatory.
                    Last edited by robertzimmerman; 02-25-2016, 01:22 PM.

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                      #130
                      Originally posted by robertzimmerman
                      No it isn't.

                      It depends what the circumstances are.

                      Sometimes they're good for boxing, sometimes they're bad.

                      A traditional CW is for fighters of different divisions who can meet to make a great fight.

                      Canelo's CW demand is complete BS. He's the lineal champ, he's previously weighed 172 on fight night, and GG's his mandatory.
                      Keep trying to convince yourself of that.

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