who among suspected PED user got away the most: Pacquaio, Mayweather or Marquez?

[ADP02]

Dude, give it a rest. The only similarity between Lance and Floyd is the use of an IV. Does that mean everyone who took an IV has abused PEDs?

It's already been discussed that you can't prove he wasn't severely dehydrated. You also never found out what USADA's standard was for acute or chronic dehydration.

Even if he wasn't severely dehydrated, you have to show proof of PED use. You don't have any. If you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you, but I'm certainly tired of saying it over and over.

Once again, all you need to know is that if there was definitive proof, Pacquaio's team wouldn't have dropped the idea to appeal to NSAC. Why would they?

Actually I proved that Floyd could not have been severely dehydrated. Once I did you all deflected. In summary, Floyd's weight was stable. You cannot be severely dehydrated with a relatively stable weight. Plus Floyd's vital sign show one that was not. Floyd provided his excuses.

Again, you do not have to test positive for a PEDs to violate Wada rules. It's simple to understand.

[Lester Tutor]

Funny that when we bring up the points then you go deflecting. How come?

Sorry but it was Floyd NOT USADA that knew when the start date of testing would be. Right?

Wada rules state that IVs can mask PEDs testing. So IVs are banned. Floyd used a banned method. Lance Armstrong and others who had more reason to use that type of excuse would smuggle and hide to do what Floyd did. So in essence that test was null and void since Floyd used an Iv

You do not have to be an expert to realize that Floyd was not severely dehydrated. Check out his weight. It's all there.

Lance Armstrong? lol. should we talk Barry Bonds, Holyfield? who else?

don't involve me with your ''deflecting'' or your other personal convos with others. The only convo I have with you as you leap over and over page after page as I ask you directly, because you YOURSELF brought up Conte in the MASTER IV thread..

What do you think about Conte saying that Pac roided? And stop casually quoting or responding to anything other than Conte!!

You know Conte! The guy Hauser referenced as SIGNIFICANT importance for the ''Can Boxing Trust USADA?''

you, Spoon, Rath... you guys have computers over at NSB internship innit, just trolling to maintain your agenda? Tell Jake Donovan to tell Hauser for me ''that's what's up!''

[Rath]

Dude, give it a rest. The only similarity between Lance and Floyd is the use of an IV. Does that mean everyone who took an IV has abused PEDs?

It's already been discussed that you can't prove he wasn't severely dehydrated. You also never found out what USADA's standard was for acute or chronic dehydration.

Even if he wasn't severely dehydrated, you have to show proof of PED use. You don't have any. If you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you, but I'm certainly tired of saying it over and over.

Once again, all you need to know is that if there was definitive proof, Pacquaio's team wouldn't have dropped the idea to appeal to NSAC. Why would they?

delaying the tester

the only known athlete as far as i know who used TUE, one was anti dated the other was retroactive.

both never tested positive.

both bullied people who exposed them with lawsuits

yup they were only similar with IV

[travestyny]

Actually I proved that Floyd could not have been severely dehydrated. Once I did you all deflected. In summary, Floyd's weight was stable. You cannot be severely dehydrated with a relatively stable weight. Plus Floyd's vital sign show one that was not. Floyd provided his excuses.

Again, you do not have to test positive for a PEDs to violate Wada rules. It's simple to understand.

Sorry, you did not prove that he didn't fit into USADA's definition of acute or chronic dehydration. You can't prove that without their records. That much is clear.

Furthermore, let's get this straight. Are you accusing him of violating WADA's rules, or are you accusing him of PED use? I asked you that before and you made it clear that you are accusing him of PED use.

They are clearly not the same, and there is clearly no direct link between violating WADA's rules and abusing PED's. You have to admit that much.

[travestyny]

delaying the tester

the only known athlete as far as i know who used TUE, one was anti dated the other was retroactive.

both never tested positive.

both bullied people who exposed them with lawsuits

yup they were only similar with IV

He gave a partial urine sample before the IV. Try again.

Oh, you are right about this one. They both passed the tests. However, you fail to mention that one had USADA going after them hard with witness testimony, 1000 pages of documents, and proof from tests.

Yep, left that out.

[Rath]

He gave a partial urine sample before the IV. Try again.

Oh, you are right about this one. They both passed the tests. However, you fail to mention that one had USADA going after them hard with witness testimony, 1000 pages of documents, and proof from tests.

Yep, left that out.

HBO 24/7 says otherwise, Floyd made them USADA collector wait for 6 hours.

now what?

USADA never went after Lance, see the documentary.

all the evidences gathered by USADA where not enough and mostly circumstantial in nature so they did not push thru that is why it took more than 10 long years.

it was a journalist and Floyd Landis who put the final nail in the coffin. i can't remember his name.

so you agree you were wrong about the only similarity between Floyd and Lance was the IV use?

would you be a gentleman like GTTofAK to admit it too?

come on don't be shy.

[travestyny]

HBO 24/7 says otherwise, Floyd made them USADA collector wait for 6 hours.

now what?

USADA never went after Lance, see the documentary.

all the evidences gathered by USADA where not enough and mostly circumstantial in nature so they did not push thru that is why it took more than 10 long years.

it was a journalist and Floyd Landis who put the final nail in the coffin. i can't remember his name.

so you agree you were wrong about the only similarity between Floyd and Lance was the IV use?

would you be a gentleman like GTTofAK to admit it too?

come on don't be shy.

No idiot. We are talking about the IV for the Pacquiao fight. Isn't that what you say allowed him to take PEDs? The IV?

Again, he gave a partial urine sample before the IV.

As for your other tidbit...

"After UCI's formal notification to Armstrong about their decision to back the USADA decision on December 6, 2012, Armstrong had 21 days to appeal the decision to the Court of Arbitration for Sport. According to L'Equipe, CAS indicated that Armstrong had made no appeal by the evening of December 27, so the final deadline to appeal had passed.[49]

On December 14, 2012, Armstrong met secretly with USADA CEO Travis Tygart at the offices of the former Colorado governor Bill Ritter. During this meeting, Armstrong asked USADA to reduce his lifetime ban from sports to just one year, in exchange for his cooperation with its ongoing investigations, which included its case against Bruyneel. Tygart told Armstrong that under the anti-doping rules, USADA could bring his ban down to eight years, and said that cooperating with USADA would help Armstrong to improve his public image. These secret discussions fell apart after Armstrong told Tygart that Armstrong held the keys to his own redemption"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lance_...1.E2.80.932012

Now why don't you be a good boy and admit you were wrong about that red corner blue corner fiasco. Or how about USADA and their statement on random testing.

[The Big Dunn]

there are two types of Lance fans, those millions who believed in him that he was clean and one journalist just one who fought and did not stop for years until Lance was exposed.

in the end millions upon millions were proven wrong by s single man.

there were two kinds of fans in the NFL, those millions who says it was safe body pads, helmets and all high tech equipment and a nigerian doctor who fought for years said it was dangerous.

in the end millions upon millions were proven wrong by a single man.

there were two types of fans in the economy sector, those harvard, yvy league graduates greenspan, bernanke the best bankers and economist murica has to offer, and a single man who comes to his office in shorts and shirt who said there was an economic bubble and it's going to burst.

in the end that single man end up 22 billion dollar richer and murican banks housing, economy collapse.

now what?

discredit the win.

it was a Pacfanwho caused floyd dehydration.

it was a pacfan who put the score in the final card in red corner instead of blue

it was a pacfan who applied for TUE 19 days late.

you you are correct pacfans will do anything and everything to discredti the win.

SHAME ON YOU

So because Lance was eventually guilty, NFL lied, and bankers made errors, Floyd must be as well. Yeah, that's valid logic and reasoning.

[GTTofAK]

Go find out what the cream and the clear are, and what they do.

According to a federal affidavit connected to the BALCO case, "the cream" was a mixture of testosterone and epitestosterone designed to increase the body's level of the natural steroid testosterone while not raising flags in traditional drug tests, which measure the ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...004Dec3_2.html

Once you do that, then tell me which WADA accredited laboratories you've been the head of. If that answer is still zero, don't bother writing back to me.

Well if you bothered to so a check on this dumb ***** you would find that this ***** is the same talking head that got trotted out in 2005 to provide cover for Lance Armstrong's positive EPO test.

“We are extremely surprised that urine samples could have been tested in 2004 and have revealed the presence of EPO,” Ayotte said in an interview with VeloNews on Tuesday. “EPO – in its natural state or the synthesized version – is not stable in urine, even if stored at minus 20 degrees.”

http://velonews.competitor.com/2005/...A8Gcoy8Pzfx.99
Of course Dr. Ayotte was talking bull****. The test was accurate and Lance Armstrong was taking synthetic EPO.

So it seems that Dr. Ayotte has a well established history of making bull**** statements to cover for testing failures.

Great source you got there dumbass.

[GTTofAK]

It's like when they said Mayweather paid a settlement so Pacquiao couldn't get the files from USADA to cover up his tests. Turns out USADA did give Pacquiaos team the files. Did the Pac turds admit they were wrong? Nope they just ignored it.

No moron reading comprehension is key. USADA never said that they turned over all the files. Just that they turned over some files. The court documents show tha at the time of the settlement USADA was still fighting the subpena on key files. They left it up to idiots like you to make ****** assumptions.

USADA Motions to Quash Pacquiao Subpoena of Mayweather, Jr Medical Records

By Gabriel Montoya

“USADA Motions to Quash Pacquiao Subpoena of Mayweather, Jr Medical Records”

Late Wednesday night I received information that the United States Anti-Doping Association had filed a motion in Colorado District Court to “quash production subpoena” of Floyd Mayweather, Jr.’s medical records. The subpoena came from Manny Pacquiao’s lawyers after Mayweather, Jr. counter-sued Pacquiao for defamation. Team Pacquiao is requesting all relevant medical records pertaining to the three fights Mayweather used USADA testing in. The motion is attempt to deny Team Pacquiao those medical records.

http://www.maxboxing.com/news/max-bo...edical-records