who among suspected PED user got away the most: Pacquaio, Mayweather or Marquez?

[Spoon23]

Dosumpthin,

you opted to go out of the battle by bringing out WADA when everything else fails look for WADA card.

Pointing fingers to make a point is not how you win a debate, but a sign you've lost. It's like calling out your mother when a park bully got to you.

That's obviously a sign of weakness. No way around it. ADP02 owned you easily I might add.

Learn to fight another day.

[ADP02]

You goofball.


You're idea of debating is saying the "facts" that are presented are really "lies".

Then supplement the "facts" with Thomas hausers "opinions" that are based on speculation.

If we were debating facts you should say "Wada should change the rules of a tue (fact) because all atheletes not named Manny cheats" (opinion).


Floyd followed the rules of the tue and usada and Wada approved it. FACT.

See how that works? Now if you want to have a meaningful debate about facts I'm all for it.

I'll go first.49-0. Manny was 48. FACT. Your turn.

See you took what I said the wrong way.


Its that you all are so sure of your facts but once we question them with facts, you then deflect.

What we are saying is that there are rules but the rules were not applied the way they should have been. Floyd should not have received an IV. He was not severely dehydrated to the point of requiring an IV.

Why USADA approved it? As I stated recently, either they are truly partnered up with Floyd or its possible that there was just too much pressure due to the money involved to have refused the retroactive TUE.

Remember that its not just the $150K for this fight. There was a lot before and after too. Floyd helped USADA get a foot into the door in boxing. USADA pretty much owed Floyd a big favor and paid him back with this.



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[Dosumpthin]

See you took what I said the wrong way.


Its that you all are so sure of your facts but once we question them with facts, you then deflect.

You aren't providing facts. You are speculating about the unknown.

X + b = tue approval.

X = multiple medical conditions requiring an iv.

B = the committee's reasoning when reviewing the application

X and b are unknown variables. You don't have access to Floyd's confidential medical records. And you don't know the reasoning behind the tuec approval.

The only FACT that we know here is - the tue application met all the criteria hence the approval by usada AND Wada has not reversed it. Therefore......

1. Met all requirements to warrant the use of the banned method.
2. Met at least one of the requirements for the application to be submitted after a sample. (retroactive criteria)


You are speculating that you know the physicians (not Floyd or ellerbe) diagnosis that was listed on the application. You don't know. Not only do you not know, you don't even have the credentials to offer anything of substance relating to the severity of dehydration. It is pointless to debate the unknown regarding this issue.

So I'm not deflecting, I simply approaching the facts sytematically and offering my logical opinion. THE TUE WAS APPROVED. FACT. If you don't agree with the process we should debate why Wada should change it.

What we are saying is that there are rules but the rules were not applied the way they should have been. Floyd should not have received an IV. He was not severely dehydrated to the point of requiring an IV.

Why USADA approved it? As I stated recently, either they are truly partnered up with Floyd or its possible that there was just too much pressure due to the money involved to have refused the retroactive TUE.

This is an OPINION. not a fact. You don't have access, let alone have a thorough understanding, of the reasoning behind the tuec diecision to grant approval. But yet you state as a fact that the rules weren't applied properly?

Am I the only one who understand the difference between a FACT and OPINION?

Remember that its not just the $150K for this fight. There was a lot before and after too. Floyd helped USADA get a foot into the door in boxing. USADA pretty much owed Floyd a big favor and paid him back with this.

Its really 100k. But whatever. Ok in your opinion, usada showed favortism towards Floyd. I'm not going to debate your opinion here. Pointless. But explain this. What does that say about Wada if

1. Usada applied Wada code improperly by approving the iv use

2. The usada tuec members are showing favoritism for an athlete And are not being impartial.

Both are strictly against Wada policy.


Can you go on record and state that Wada is looking the other way? Are you willing to now add Wada to your ever growing ever evolving conspiracy?

Just answer me this one question above all else. Why hasn't WADA reversed the tue and or investigated usada for these BLATANT violations of its policies?

[ADP02]

You aren't providing facts. You are speculating about the unknown.

X + b = tue approval.

X = multiple medical conditions requiring an iv.

B = the committee's reasoning when reviewing the application

X and b are unknown variables. You don't have access to Floyd's confidential medical records. And you don't know the reasoning behind the tuec approval.

The only FACT that we know here is - the tue application met all the criteria hence the approval by usada AND Wada has not reversed it. Therefore......

1. Met all requirements to warrant the use of the banned method.
2. Met at least one of the requirements for the application to be submitted after a sample. (retroactive criteria)


You are speculating that you know the physicians (not Floyd or ellerbe) diagnosis that was listed on the application. You don't know. Not only do you not know, you don't even have the credentials to offer anything of substance relating to the severity of dehydration. It is pointless to debate the unknown regarding this issue.

So I'm not deflecting, I simply approaching the facts sytematically and offering my logical opinion. THE TUE WAS APPROVED. FACT. If you don't agree with the process we should debate why Wada should change it.



This is an OPINION. not a fact. You don't have access, let alone have a thorough understanding, of the reasoning behind the tuec diecision to grant approval. But yet you state as a fact that the rules weren't applied properly?

Am I the only one who understand the difference between a FACT and OPINION?






Its really 100k. But whatever. Ok in your opinion, usada showed favortism towards Floyd. I'm not going to debate your opinion here. Pointless. But explain this. What does that say about Wada if

1. Usada applied Wada code improperly by approving the iv use

2. The usada tuec members are showing favoritism for an athlete And are not being impartial.

Both are strictly against Wada policy.


Can you go on record and state that Wada is looking the other way? Are you willing to now add Wada to your ever growing ever evolving conspiracy?

Just answer me this one question above all else. Why hasn't WADA reversed the tue and or investigated usada for these BLATANT violations of its policies?

We are putting into question the validity of the retroactive TUE approval and why the IV was given in the first place.

We are also putting into question whether Floyd was even dehydrated to any significant degree?



BUT here are facts:

Medical condition:
Actually NSAC issued a statement.
The statement came from USADA and states that Floyd requested an IV due to dehydration. This is a fact.
The statement mentions that the reason was due to Floyd being dehydrated.

"According to records provided by the Nevada Athletic Commission: Mayweather also applied for, and was given, a the****utic use exemption (TUE) for rehydration purposes after the May 1 weigh-in. He took two separate mixes."

Furthermore, Floyd/Ellerbe had an interview that does not conflict with the official statement that USADA gave to NSAC. It actually reaffirmed the statement and went one step further. Floyd and Ellerbe stated why Floyd was dehydrated.

Furthermore, Floyd goes on another interview and continues to state this and also brings up that Floyd was "extremely dehydrated"

Furthermore, Ariza was interviewed and agreed with Floyd's statement.

Furthermore, all statements do not conflict with one another. On top of that there were no statements made to state that their previous statements were incorrect in part or full.

So the above are all facts. We know X and are questioning how B approved the retroactive TUE.....

Facts prove that Floyd's weight was relatively stable.
Facts see that Floyd was able to drink orally.
Fact is that Floyd said that some other athletes rehydrate by other ways such as using a product such as pedialyte whereas the IV route is just an alternative that they used instead.

Well Floyd, why did you not just stick with an alternative instead of an IV? That is what the WADA code states. If there is an alternative, you must use that route. In fact there are many ways that Floyd could have rehydrated.

FACT:
- 30 days out = 150lbs
- 2 weeks out = 149lbs
- 1 week out = 148lbs
- Weigh in = 146lbs
- fight night = 149

After fight interview: Floyd was boasting that at 149, he was "physically extremely strong"


FACT: USADA and studies have stated on how to assess your dehydration:
- to weigh yourself before and after your training session.
- For each 1 pound of fluids lost, just drink 3 cups of water.

Floyd was well on his way there and still had to drink and eat as Floyd said he did "a lot".


So the above information and also Floyd's vital signs being all normal puts into question why the IV, when Floyd was basically close to if not fully rehydrated by the time he left MGM.


There is more ......

As for your other questions:
Just like Lance Armstrong did (very similar scenario) Floyd paid his doctor to agree with Floyd's version of the story and supply some documentation.


WADA:
They do not usually look at cases that have not been rejected (optional). They may look at USADA's protocol in general but not individual cases unless they start seeing something ...... So it becomes a needle in the haystack. Even then, I'm sure that they are all trying to cover their tracks which makes it a lot harder.





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[Lester Tutor]

You take the high roid and I'll take the low roid, they all cheat at that level!!

ADP is just a troller taking the piss. He on record numerous times for citing Conte yet ALWAYS ignores whenever I point out the actual youtube world video where Conte verbally states Pac roided.

Doesn't even attempt to ever dispute it.

That's not a coward, that's more of a loser. Wimp.

[Zaroku]

ADP is just a troller taking the piss. He on record numerous times for citing Conte yet ALWAYS ignores whenever I point out the actual youtube world video where Conte verbally states Pac roided.

Doesn't even attempt to ever dispute it.

That's not a coward, that's more of a loser. Wimp.

They have convinced themselves that this is an epic battle.. They think they are fighting the good fight... One that restores PAC roid to God status!!

Some really silly stuff, really!!!

[Lester Tutor]

They have convinced themselves that this is an epic battle.. They think they are fighting the good fight... One that restores PAC roid to God status!!

Some really silly stuff, really!!!

His "God" status dropped from Hera when in 2008 he roided from Lightweight to fight a drained Oscar who also had IVs. Fought an easy David Diaz to steal "another" weight title while not fighting the undisputed king at that time who was Juan Diaz which Diaz even called out Pac. Nor did Pac fight Casamayor...

Meanwhile Marquez stays at Lightweight and beats them!! Pac is a fraud.

[Zaroku]

His "God" status dropped from Hera when in 2008 he roided from Lightweight to fight a drained Oscar who also had IVs. Fought an easy David Diaz to steal "another" weight title while not fighting the undisputed king at that time who was Juan Diaz which Diaz even called out Pac. Nor did Pac fight Casamayor...

Meanwhile Marquez stays at Lightweight and beats them!! Pac is a fraud.

A myth for sure! But the people's champ, with Arum Advertising dollars behind him and catch weights galore.. Roided to the limit, and still couldn't fade Marquez!!

Marquez is by far the superior fighter. Casamayor was so balanced, and smooth.
He got old, but Casamayor fought sweet as ****!

[travestyny]

Do not forget to include this important statement that was in your article.

"Adults rarely require IV treatment for dehydration. Children, however, are much more likely to get dangerously dehydrated from being ill. IV treatment is often necessary."


Even then, Floyd was NOT moderately nor severely dehydrated ..... but if Floyd was severely dehydrated, I would be human enough to accept that but not because Floyd said so. Only of the information provided agrees with that statement and it CLEARLY DOES NOT!!!

Science is science. Floyd's weight was relatively stable for 30 days including his fight night weight. That is the nail in the coffin!

And adults are rarely 38 year old professional boxers training for the biggest fight of their career. You do realize his risk of dehydration is much more profound than that of an average adult, don't you? Did you not see where it says "A doctor, or emergency medical professionals, can decide whether IV rehydration is needed."

Pretty sure you aren't his doctor or a part of emergency medical professionals in Las Vegas.

No one is accepting it because Floyd says so. Even with proof you won't believe it, since you already stated your belief that he paid off medical practitioners. So what's the point of continuing this debate? You talk about deflecting...well you believe that any proof given has been fabricated and orchestrated by Mayweather. You are the ultimate deflector.

Passed all drug tests = He paid off USADA, micro-dosed, masked with an IV a number of times. All of this with NO PROOF, while on the other side is the proof of the passed tests.

A medical practitioner goes on record saying he was dehydrated to the point of needing an IV = He paid the medical practitioner off...with NO PROOF. While on the other side is a clear reason to believe a medical practitioner agreed with the IV use.

Here is what the medical practitioner had to sign:

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When a doctor comes out and takes a video saying Pacquaio's surgery was for real, you buy it. It's clear that Floyd needed a medical practitioner to go on record about his condition, you see what must have been signed off on by that practitioner for the TUE to be approved, and yet you deflect to your belief that he simply bought the medical practitioner off.

Is this not the height of hypocrisy? Really? Is it not?

[travestyny]

The problem is that you are not looking at this correctly. I will explain but then something (history) will have it that there will be a deflection across the board (Floyd fans).

We are putting into question the validity of the retroactive TUE approval and why the IV was given in the first place.

We are also putting into question whether Floyd was even dehydrated to any significant degree?



BUT here are facts:

Medical condition:
Actually NSAC issued a statement.
The statement came from USADA and states that Floyd requested an IV due to dehydration. This is a fact.
The statement mentions that the reason was due to Floyd being dehydrated.

"According to records provided by the Nevada Athletic Commission: Mayweather also applied for, and was given, a the****utic use exemption (TUE) for rehydration purposes after the May 1 weigh-in. He took two separate mixes."

Furthermore, Floyd/Ellerbe had an interview that does not conflict with the official statement that USADA gave to NSAC. It actually reaffirmed the statement and went one step further. Floyd and Ellerbe stated why Floyd was dehydrated.

Furthermore, Floyd goes on another interview and continues to state this and also brings up that Floyd was "extremely dehydrated"

Furthermore, Ariza was interviewed and agreed with Floyd's statement.

Furthermore, all statements do not conflict with one another. On top of that there were no statements made to state that their previous statements were incorrect in part or full.

So the above are all facts. We know X and are questioning how B approved the retroactive TUE.....

Facts prove that Floyd's weight was relatively stable.
Facts see that Floyd was able to drink orally.
Fact is that Floyd said that some other athletes rehydrate by other ways such as using a product such as pedialyte whereas the IV route is just an alternative that they used instead.

Well Floyd, why did you not just stick with an alternative instead of an IV? That is what the WADA code states. If there is an alternative, you must use that route. In fact there are many ways that Floyd could have rehydrated.

FACT:
- 30 days out = 150lbs
- 2 weeks out = 149lbs
- 1 week out = 148lbs
- Weigh in = 146lbs
- fight night = 149

After fight interview: Floyd was boasting that at 149, he was "physically extremely strong"


FACT: USADA and studies have stated on how to assess your dehydration:
- to weigh yourself before and after your training session.
- For each 1 pound of fluids lost, just drink 3 cups of water.

Floyd was well on his way there and still had to drink and eat as Floyd said he did "a lot".


So the above information and also Floyd's vital signs being all normal puts into question why the IV, when Floyd was basically close to if not fully rehydrated by the time he left MGM.


There is more ......

As for your other questions:
Just like Lance Armstrong did (very similar scenario) Floyd paid his doctor to agree with Floyd's version of the story and supply some documentation.


WADA:
They do not usually look at cases that have not been rejected (optional). They may look at USADA's protocol in general but not individual cases unless they start seeing something ...... So it becomes a needle in the haystack. Even then, I'm sure that they are all trying to cover their tracks which makes it a lot harder.

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Was this the groundbreaking post that you stated was coming? I don't see anything worthy here.

This is simply about the code.

1. You keep saying Floyd needed to be severely dehydrated to be approved for the IV. Can you show me in the ISTUE where it states this?

2. The ISTUE says that the athlete must show that there is no reasonable the****utic alternative to the prohibited method. Well:

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Seems that a medical practitioner provided clinical justification on his part, along with evidence confirming the diagnosis.

This kind of ****s all over anything you have. We don't need you to discuss his weight anymore, but good try.

3. You are still talking about how he must have been nearly fully rehydrated when he left the MGM after the weigh in. You do realize the 149 he said he weighed on fight night was after the IV, right? I've told you that a number of times, so don't know what you are trying to prove by saying he said he felt great when he weighed in at 149 on fight night. This was after the IV, buddy.

So on one side, we have the ISTUE that doesn't support your contention that he must be severely dehydrated to receive the TUE, we have a doctor who went on record and gave evidence of his condition that made the IV necessary, and we have 19 negative blood and urine tests.

On your side, a whole lot of speculation, misreading the ISTUE, and hypocrisy.

You're going to have to come better than this.