Wilder-Szpilka averages 500K viewers

[-PBP-]

Wrong Golden Boy made Khan vs Alexander for his championship belt NOT Haymon. At this time Khan was NOT signed to Haymon. Then he pulled out the fight and numerous reports were that he was signing to Haymon and was guaranteed to fight Floyd next. So he pulled out the fight upsetting Golden Boy at that time. Months later he officially is announced as signing with Haymon. You keep trying to pass the blame to Khan when he backed out because he signed to Haymon and was advised to do so by Haymon just like Stevenson signed to Haymon and backed out the deal to fight Kovalev. Point is when Haymon has a ton of fighters who are all doing these similar tactics and going years and numerous mismatch fights in a row. Or in Thurman's case going 3 years without fight a top ranked welterweight after he wins a belt you will get criticsm. Because none of this is marinating a fight. And I disagree if Khan were signed to Arum he would of been forced to fight Pacman, Bradley and Marquez by now. Hell all those guys have fought multiple times already. Yet you think if Arum didn't have Khan he wouldn't be included in those fights?

After he got shattered he fought Carlos Molina and Julio Diaz. He wasn't signed with Haymon during those fights was he? The trend began when he got KTFO'd. Not when he signed with Haymon.

Plus Porter has fought Devon Alexander (on short notice), Kell Brook, Adrien Broner and now Keith Thurman. Why? Because he wants the biggest fights out there. If Khan had the same mindset as Porter he too wold be taking on bigger fights.

[The Big Dunn]

Doesn't Haymon have to be careful not to be categorized as a promoter? He's facing litigation for operating as a manager and a promoter.

True, but I say Haymon given he seems to have a working partnership with the promoters. Haymon/PBC need better communications. The shows need more marketing and promoting.

Makavelli's point about putting on sat night after the game was great. Mrrolltide suggestion about Friday was good as well.

New England point about the quality of cards was valid here. Martin/Glasgov and Wilder/Spilka are not fights that even diehards are energized about.

[Pigeons]

Those numbers were generated after, not during, the fight. I was watching the fight live on Youtube and the highest number of views it got was 22K.

Obviously. At no point did I imply otherwise. It's a YouTube video. I don't have the live stream numbers.

[The Big Dunn]

i'm changing the subject by asking you to restate what you said in the first liine of your post !?

what?


if you blame either side exclusively you're a fanboy. those two made the right move [for themselves, not for boxing,] to delay a fight with each other and take easy fights in the interim. floyd mayweather didn't need that risk at that time, and manny didn't need it either. they took lesser money for their easier fights, but they did it for years, and then they cashed out when both were planning an exit strategy.


floyd mayweather was a very carefully moved boxer. so was manny pacquiao. floyd proposed drug testing [and in the end it comes out that he was likely a cheat himself,] bob proposed that they build a stadium []. these were tactics to block the fight.



when a duck quacks, and waddles, it's a duck. if you blame arum and pacquiao exclusively for that fight being blocked for 6 years you're a fanboy.

You said that was a reason why people hate Haymon. I think its ******ed to think people hate Haymon for that reason.

Anything else you typed is not related to the thread or my post so there is no need for me to respond.

[LoadedWraps]

How do you figure I don't tune in? You don't, so take your piss elsewhere.

I know exactly how boxing as a business goes down. I've been a fan pretty much all my life. And who is immune to criticism? Are you serious? Haymon deserves his criticism if you follow his track record.

Never said you didn't, I tune in when I can, but it's hard to keep up with the inconsistent schedule and list of networks for me. I don't tune out because of what fighters are featured or some agenda, but because I happen to miss the show, or am busy at the time.

It sure sounds like you don't know how the business works, because your criticisms are pretty ill warranted, and come off as unreasonable and ignorant to the process.

If you pay attention to his track record, he deserves more praise and respect than harsh criticism, funny you would suggest otherwise.

Since your reply is borderline ad hominem here and more deflection than anything we can translate that to me being right, and you basically being too proud to say so. Good day.

[SUBZER0ED]

It's funny; when Haymon first launched PBC, some posters said it would probably fail. Others staunchly defended Haymon, saying PBC would be good for boxing & detractors must not be true fans of the sport. I'm not hearing so much about how Haymon & PBC are good for the sport anymore.

[LoadedWraps]

i'm changing the subject by asking you to restate what you said in the first liine of your post !?

what?


if you blame either side exclusively you're a fanboy. those two made the right move [for themselves, not for boxing,] to delay a fight with each other and take easy fights in the interim. floyd mayweather didn't need that risk at that time, and manny didn't need it either. they took lesser money for their easier fights, but they did it for years, and then they cashed out when both were planning an exit strategy.


floyd mayweather was a very carefully moved boxer. so was manny pacquiao. floyd proposed drug testing [and in the end it comes out that he was likely a cheat himself,] bob proposed that they build a stadium []. these were tactics to block the fight.



when a duck quacks, and waddles, it's a duck. if you blame arum and pacquiao exclusively for that fight being blocked for 6 years you're a fanboy.

Still waiting on your reply to my post(s) where I call you out on letting nationalism cloud your assessment of fighters and your judgement, and where I clearly remind you that I am both a US citizen and US war vet, and that I still rate Fury higher than Wilder in every category minus power, so since the "brit homer" myth is debunked, what's the next excuse for downplaying my analysis? I can link you to the posts if you like.

[bigdunny1]

It was a good idea that was executed about as poorly as possible. Now he has to go back to a platform he's destroyed because he'll run out of money if he puts it all on network TV. Disaster.

Exactly anyone who says Haymon hasn't destroyed Showtime is simply not being honest with themselves. All Showtime boxing content is down 50% or more from where it was the year prior when the cards were promoted by Golden Boy and before Haymon yanked his fighters off to PBC. The combination of losing a top notch promoter like Golden Boy and using 3rd rate promoters instead and taking all Showtimes talent and bouncing them around numerous other networks has crippled Showtime. Also all the negativity surrounding PBC has rubbed off on Showtime.

Wilder a year earlier pulled in 1.3mil viewer and now down less then half to 500k. Broner the year earlier was doing 1mil every time on showtime now in Oct does 500k. Jacobs vs Quillin does around 300K. Chavez was doing like 1.5mil on HBO now doing 600K on showtime. Geale vs Bute did less then 300K.

[bigjavi973]

Decent numbers comparing to what it went up against.

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[Scipio2009]

No single entity has a deep enough stable to not marinate fights though. Let's look at Haymon's welterweights. What if this happened this year:

Winter:
Thurman/Porter
Garcia/Guerrero

Spring:
Peterson/Berto
Spence/Vazquez

Summer:
Garcia/Khan
Spence/Peterson

Fall:
Garcia/Thurman

2017: Spence/Thurman


He would run through his entire roster in a little over a year and most of the fights would flop because none of those guys have fanbases. That's why marination is necessary in a lot of cases.

Only issue with that synopsis is that that isn't really the path being laid forward, for anyone really. Garcia-Guerrero happens in January, Thurman-Porter happens in March, and that's about it:

-Sammy Vasquez Jr is heading down a three-fight path to being WBC 147 mandatory challenger, and Errol Spence Jr is heading down a two-fight path to becoming IBF 147 mandatory challenger.

-Amir Khan isn't going to take the fight straight-away, and Berto-Perterson still needs to happen March/April, so Danny Garcia is likely to have a voluntary defense in May (vs Ray Robinson, in a Philly vs Philly fight, or vs Chris Algieri, in fighting a New Yorker in Brooklyn, both make sense).

-Thurman-Porter happening in March, for the WBA 147 title, moves off any next title defense to July/August, with the only barrier being that said opponent has to be rated in the WBA's top 15 (see no reason why, with another win, Victor Ortiz can't get himself into the WBA's top 15; and there's always the chance that Marcos Maidana can be coaxed back).

-Kell Brook, in making his mandatory defense in March (and with eyes on getting that Amir Khan fight in the Summer), likely won't be mandated to fight Errol Spence Jr until Feb/Mar 2017; with another defense in Sheffield, the Khan fight at Wembley, and likely a third fight to close out the year, he'd be 6/7 defenses into his title run, 12 years into his run at welterweight, and likely be ready to go to 154 (Liam Smith seems like a relatively easy pick, with the WBO giving rather wide discretion for defenses).

Winter:
Garcia/Guerrero {WBC title}
Vasquez/Martinez {semi-final eliminator}

Spring:
Thurman/Porter {WBA title}
Spence/Rico Mueller or Jeff Horn Frankie Gavin {IBF eliminator}
Berto/Peterson
Brook/Bizier {IBF title}
Khan/Manyuchi {maintaining WBC ranking}
Garcia/Algieri {WBC title}

Summer:
Vasquez/Barrionuevo-Cosio winner {final eliminator}
Brook/Khan {IBF title}

Fall:
Thurman/Ortiz {WBA title}
Garcia/Peterson-Berto winner {WBC title}
Spence/Chaves {IBF mandatory challenger}
Guerrero/Lopez

Winter:
Vasquez/Ray Robinson {WBC mandatory challenger}
Spence fights for IBF 147 title
etc

Not all the fights are knock-down, drag-out scraps, but there enough good fights mixed in, to keep things going, before the start of the consolidation of titles that, to me, would make far more sense in 2017 (which will likely stretch into 2018, to work out all of the logistics).