Comments Thread For: Golovkin's Promoter on Saunders Fallout, Canelo is Top Fall Target

[Scipio2009]

That is correct, when is not your money, you give 0 Fuc.ks



Yeah right, Saunders-Eubank jr 2 purses are going to be like 3.5M for BJS and 1M for Eubank jr. lol




How do you know the actual numbers of negotiations for Jacobs?

-Showtime put up the US TV money, to air a massive American middleweight fight, Barclays Center got the opportunity to host two top middleweights, both hailing from Brooklyn, in Brooklyn, and Lou DiBella (in lieu of taking a massive upside on the fight) got the opportunity to host a half dozen of fights, featuring fighters signed to him, on a massive show in his home market. To simply assuming that the entire event simply took a bath is ******.

-Froch-Groves 2 ended up with the two fighters splitting 10m British Pounds (~$15m). To sit and argue that Saunders-Eubank 2, with a world title on the line after the hotly contested initial fight, could be expect to only pay out less than $5m to the fighters is ******.

-For any fight going forward, especially after the monstrous performance in the Quillin fight, Daniel Jacobs, fighting out of the Barclays Center, walks into any fight discussion as a big deal. The guess at the Showtime budget simply falls back onto what Showtime has committed to their Showtime Championship Boxing series for other fighters that they view as being big deals.

[OnePunch]

Money, belts, PPV numbers, and all that other bull**** aside. What do you think the average fight fan wants to see? GGG-Lara or GGG vs any middleweight not named Canelo?

I can only speak for myself, but I would take GGG-Saunders, GGG-Jacobs, GGG-Quillin, or even GGG-Eubank ahead of GGG-Lara.

There is not a single shred of mystery, suspense, or drama about how the Lara fight would end. If they make it, fine, I'll surely watch, but its a fight only 8 internet trolls care about, and truth be told I doubt HBO would approve Lara even if Haymon said ok. To HBO, Lara = Rigo, in other words they throw up when they think of him......

[kafkod]

The fact that you don't see the disconnect between using money to establish PBC, and then use that money to fund something that is not PBC, makes even trying to explain things further useless.

Jacobs-Quillin, as far as the parties in it were concerned, was a massive fight. The the main event sopped up $3m, the entire Showtime Championship Boxing main telecast only ended up costing $3.3m, with the ShoExtreme piece of the show adding a bit to that.

With Showtime backing the event with SHO and ShoExtreme in the US, Barclays Center sponsoring and hosting the event, BoxNation paying for the UK rights to the fight, TV Azteca apparently picking up the Mexico TV rights, Canal Space having the TV rights for the rest of Latin America, the other TV rights in question, Corona being the title sponsor of the event, the event actually making some money at the gate, other pieces of the pie, the total payout to the fighters on the card, and without an event promoter taking home 40% of the proceeds on the fight, the actual numbers are closer to being in line than what you're willing to acknowledge.

Just because a fight between 2 Haymon fighters doesn't actually screen on a PBC show is no reason to believe that Haymon is not using Waddell & Reed's money to fund it.

As I understand it, he has free reign to use that war chest in whatever way he believes will ultimately benifit the venture as a whole. 2 of his fighters contesting a world title on Showtime definitely fits the bill.

It's good to see that international TV rights, sponsorships and live gate money are at last being aknowledged as a factor in judging the success of a boxing show, rather than just the US live TV viewing numbers.

I wish the people who constantly harp on about GGG/Lemieux being a dud would also take those factors into account. K2 made more money from international TV rights and PPV sales on that fight than from any other show they have ever staged in the US.

[The Big Dunn]

I can only speak for myself, but I would take GGG-Saunders, GGG-Jacobs, GGG-Quillin, or even GGG-Eubank ahead of GGG-Lara.

There is not a single shred of mystery, suspense, or drama about how the Lara fight would end. If they make it, fine, I'll surely watch, but its a fight only 8 internet trolls care about, and truth be told I doubt HBO would approve Lara even if Haymon said ok. To HBO, Lara = Rigo, in other words they throw up when they think of him......

Its interesting that you compared Lara to Rigo. Rigo totally destroyed the investment HBO made in Donaire with the way he beat him. HBO execs were sure Donaire's size would lead to a KO of Rigo just like you think GGG ko's Lara real easy.

Perhaps the result of that fight is the reason HBO execs are keeping GGG as far away from Lara as possible.

[kafkod]

Correction, Canelo did poorly on PPV against Lara. 300k is low for someone who was coming off Mayweather. Still a financial success, but a far cry from a superstar.

What I meant was, how many of those viewers were paying to see Canelo, and how many were paying to see Lara?

Figures like that for a Canelo fight back up the point I was making - Lara is not a draw, against ANYONE.

[OnePunch]

Its interesting that you compared Lara to Rigo. Rigo totally destroyed the investment HBO made in Donaire with the way he beat him. HBO execs were sure Donaire's size would lead to a KO of Rigo just like you think GGG ko's Lara real easy.

Perhaps the result of that fight is the reason HBO execs are keeping GGG as far away from Lara as possible.

we hear this same "investment" argument when idiots talk about GGG-Ward and say "ooooohhhhh HBO protecting their boy GGG", even though HBO has FAR more money invested in Ward than they do GGG. But why let FACTS interfere?

Bottom line is HBO's boxing budget represents such a tiny fraction of their overall budget, I doubt they care one way or the other who wins or who loses, as long as people watch. They still gave Gatti HBO dates even with 6 or 7 losses on his record.

So spare me the "HBO protecting investment" nonsense. What HBO doesnt want is a stinker like Rigo / Lara putting their viewers to sleep, or having them change the channel.......

[hitking]

Its interesting that you compared Lara to Rigo. Rigo totally destroyed the investment HBO made in Donaire with the way he beat him. HBO execs were sure Donaire's size would lead to a KO of Rigo just like you think GGG ko's Lara real easy.

Perhaps the result of that fight is the reason HBO execs are keeping GGG as far away from Lara as possible.

I think GGG would beat Lara. But I think there's the potential there for GGG to look bad in victory. Which is a huge risk when you're building a monster.

[The Big Dunn]

What I meant was, how many of those viewers were paying to see Canelo, and how many were paying to see Lara?

Figures like that for a Canelo fight back up the point I was making - Lara is not a draw, against ANYONE.

Correction, Canelo did poorly on PPV against Lara. 300k is low for someone who was coming off Mayweather. Still a financial success, but a far cry from a superstar.

Why does it matter if the fight registers with casual fans?

You guys are boxing fans. A style matchup like this should be something you want to see. Its going to involve boxing and moving and cutting off the ring, attributes casual fans do not care about.

Lara would force GGG to do things we haven't seen him do. Using more of his skills or different skills may not mean he gets an easy KO, but it will give more indication if he is a complete fighter.

Nothing wrong with a fight geared toward the real fans as opposed to a mindless brawl or easy KO win that attracts those who could care less about the sport.

[kafkod]

What boxing fan wants a superior boxer off the air?

What boxing fans should want is the power punchers of this era to learn how to cut off the ring like power punchers from previous eras so we can get a great stylistic matchup.

What HBO and fans of the guys the have under contract want is opponents for their favorites that have no chance to win and will likely get KTFO.

What does continually beating opponents like that accomplish?

GGG cuts the ring like Chavez Sr in his prime.

That's one of the reasons I love watching him fight, and why I know that Lara wouldn't have to worry about being robbed by the judges if they ever fought.

[The Big Dunn]

we hear this same "investment" argument when idiots talk about GGG-Ward and say "ooooohhhhh HBO protecting their boy GGG", even though HBO has FAR more money invested in Ward than they do GGG. But why let FACTS interfere?

Bottom line is HBO's boxing budget represents such a tiny fraction of their overall budget, I doubt they care one way or the other who wins or who loses, as long as people watch. They still gave Gatti HBO dates even with 6 or 7 losses on his record.

So spare me the "HBO protecting investment" nonsense. What HBO doesnt want is a stinker like Rigo / Lara putting their viewers to sleep, or having them change the channel.......

HBO does not have more invested in Ward. HBO let Ward's contract expire and only recently resigned him contingent on him fighting Kov. Ward didn't fight for 2 plus years. I mean this isn't even a point of contention.

If you got the facts, list them. How many times has Ward fought on HBO? What about GGG? Whose deal was worth more?

Of course HBO cares who wins and loses. You think HBO signs fighters to multi fight deals assuming they will lose the 1st and 2nd fight? Come on man, don't play ******.

Rigo didn't put fans to sleep in the Donaire fight. If you match a boxer up with a guy who keeps trying to win, you never get a boring fight. If you put Rigo or any boxer in with a guy that quits trying to win, you get boring fights.