Comments Thread For: Golovkin vs. Saunders Negotiations To Move Forward

[hitking]

He's considered the best but until he actually accomplishes it that doesn't mean anything. Very few fighters in the history of the sport have unified all four belts, five with the ring. Bernard Hopkins and a couple of others, that's it. If you have an opportunity to do that you take it. What's the worse that can happen? BJS says no? Ok.

You left out my part about his mandatory too. The only way Golovkin can get around fighting his mandatory in Johnson soon is by having a unification fight. The two other title holders are Canelo and BJS. Thus the reason they are trying to get BJS. Even if Jacobs wanted a fight right now, and we can pretend there is no issue with HBO/PBC/Haymon for sake of argument, it's not a unification since the IBF doesn't recognize the "regular" title they only recognize Gennady's super title, so he would still have his mandatory obligation. Drop the belt or get stripped of the belt and fight Jacobs you say? Then that means Golovkin would go from potentially owning three of the four belts to only owning one belt. That's the same amount of belts BJS has and the same amount as Canelo, less then Canelo if you count the Ring. Then what? He losses negotiating power at the table with Canelo and in fact, what would stop Canelo from wanting to unify with Saunders himself? Canelo could easily take a Saunders fight, win and have two belts himself, three counting the Ring. How's that looking for Gennady now? Not too good I bet. You never want to go from possibly owning three belts in a division to one belt, you just don't do that type of thing unless you are a Mayweather or a Pacquiao type of star which Golovkin is not.

Do you realize that the lineal title that Canelo is currently the holder of at one time had all four major belts attached to it. Five if you wanna toss in The Ring mag belt. Six if you wanna count the lineal title itself. And at one point, I think durning Martinez's reign, none of the four ABC belts were attached to the recognized lineal title. Hopkins, Taylor, Pavlik, and Martinez all had respectable reigns as champion. So what credible reason is there for all four belts being stripped? Sorry homie, that alone is enough for me to say piss on these belts that are oh so important to folks like yourself.

[OnePunch]

Lara calling him out on Twitter is a legitimate offer to you guys but a $2 million offer is "ridiculous posturing" gotcha....

this right here should end the thread lol

[ИATAS]

Do you realize that the lineal title that Canelo is currently the holder of at one time had all four major belts attached to it. Five if you wanna toss in The Ring mag belt. Six if you wanna count the lineal title itself. And at one point, I think durning Martinez's reign, none of the four ABC belts were attached to the recognized lineal title. Hopkins, Taylor, Pavlik, and Martinez all had respectable reigns as champion. So what credible reason is there for all four belts being stripped? Sorry homie, that alone is enough for me to say piss on these belts that are oh so important to folks like yourself.

It's weird how I make multiple points and you gloss over them. Like the third time you've ignored the mandatory issue.

Look, I'm fully aware belts have lost their meaning and they certainly aren't as valuable as the once were. I'm not some naive kid new to the sport. But let's not start acting like they have no value whatsoever. Why do you think it was so important for Miguel Cotto to hold on to his belt? Why did he pay step aside fees, twice, amounting to a sum over one million dollars? For the hell of it? Obviously because that belt had value, especially when it came to negotiating with Canelo. You can agree to that right? Because that's factual not opinion. So we can all agree there is value in belts. Getting that out of the way, you can see my point regarding Golovkin having three of the four belts. That has value when negotiating with Canelo. Following along?

Now that you understand, what is exactly that you want Golovkin to do? You want him to what, not make an offer to BJS? Ok then that means he has to fight Johnson next, his mandatory. If not, and you want him to drop the IBF belt or be stripped, then what? This is going back in circles to the point I previously made. You follow me?

As a fan of boxing I want to see Golovkin vs Canelo. That's the fight I want. Not only is it the best fight at middleweight, it's one of the biggest fights that can be made in the sport. Since Golden Boy/Canelo and K2/Golovkin agreed to each take a fight before fighting later in the year, the best most realistic option for Gennady is BJS so that way all of the belts will be on the line. I'd actually prefer Jacobs next over BJS but unfortunately that's not an option (as for reasons I've explained and other reasons I haven't touched on (HBO/Haymon).

[LoadedWraps]

Would be great news, it's a good scrap. GGG would maul him, but Saunders will put up a fight until he gets broken.

Best possible opponent to bridge the gap to the Canelo execution.

[casheddie]

Jacobs wants GGG? This is news to me. Last I knew he wanted far too much money for a guy who offers no title that GGG needs.

Never mind the fact Jacobs is with Haymon, so they may as well be playing different sports.

I meant Jacobs is interesting for Golovkin and saunders is not

[kafkod]

You would be surprised at how little belts mean to seasoned fight fans. You, and a loyd portion of GGG's fanbase appear to follow boxing the way fans followed folks followed the sport in the 80s and 90s. The fact is, the ABC organizations have become so corrupt, and their rankings and rulings are so laughable that IMO its borderline impossible for a true fight fan to take them seriously.

You don't like nor agree with my opinions and that's fine. But believe it or not, I give GGG a helluva lot more respect than even his most diehard fans. Y'all want this dude to chase and validate what he already is. GGG is the undisputed king of the middleweights. And it should be beneath him to chase a guy like Saunders, who's a mere contender to his throne. Canelo makes sense because of money. Saunders should be begging GGG for a shot, not visa versa. GGG's supremacy at 60 is established. Its time for bigger and better.

You're not getting it!

It doesn't matter how much or how little seasoned fans like us care about world titles. The fact is that casual fans and general sports fans, who are not into boxing hard-core, care about them a lot, so fighters and promoters have to care about them too, because they bring exposure, recognition, and money.

Do you think K2 would be offering BJS $2million if he didn't have the WBO belt?

They don't want Saunders for who he is, they want another world title unification fight for Golovkin and another belt round his waist when its over to raise his profile and increase his fan base.

That's the way boxing works. K2 and GGG are playing the same game as everybody else in the sport!

[hitking]

You're not getting it!

It doesn't matter how much or how little seasoned fans like us care about world titles. The fact is that casual fans and general sports fans, who are not into boxing hard-core, care about them a lot, so fighters and promoters have to care about them too, because they bring exposure, recognition, and money.

Do you think K2 would be offering BJS $2million if he didn't have the WBO belt?

They don't want Saunders for who he is, they want another world title unification fight for Golovkin and another belt round his waist when its over to raise his profile and increase his fan base.

That's the way boxing works. K2 and GGG are playing the same game as everybody else in the sport!

Casual fans don't care about belts. Matter of fact, most casual fans don't even know who GGG is. Much less what belts he has or doesn't. If you're anything like me, you're the lone hardcore fight fan in your inner circle. And after Nelo-Cotto, the most frequently asked question to me from my friends that are casual fans was, " WTH is GGG guy they kept talking about?"

GGG can play whatever game he wants. But the reality is, to become a crossover star, you generally need to get a stranglehold on the hardcore community first. Then perform on the big stage against a guy that has a good casual fanbase. GGG's ticket to stardom was to either fight Ward in a superfight that the hardcore community would have salivated over. Or, fight Canelo. And whether there's one belt, five belts, or no belts on the line in either of those fights. The interest level would be the exact same. That's what you, amd those that think line you don't understand. The fighter makes the title. Not visa versa.

[kafkod]

Casual fans don't care about belts. Matter of fact, most casual fans don't even know who GGG is. Much less what belts he has or doesn't. If you're anything like me, you're the lone hardcore fight fan in your inner circle. And after Nelo-Cotto, the most frequently asked question to me from my friends that are casual fans was, " WTH is GGG guy they kept talking about?"

GGG can play whatever game he wants. But the reality is, to become a crossover star, you generally need to get a stranglehold on the hardcore community first. Then perform on the big stage against a guy that has a good casual fanbase. GGG's ticket to stardom was to either fight Ward in a superfight that the hardcore community would have salivated over. Or, fight Canelo. And whether there's one belt, five belts, or no belts on the line in either of those fights. The interest level would be the exact same. That's what you, amd those that think line you don't understand. The fighter makes the title. Not visa versa.

Tell that to Andre ward!

If a boxer keeps winning belts, and defending them with spectacular KO's, he'll be a hit with hard-core fans and his promoter has the job of selling him to casual sports fans.

GGG is doing ok. His purses and audience figures are increasing with every fight he has.

[deanrw]

The fight is dead. Saunders is not interested in it. He is just trying to save face so he can state negotiations failed later on. He does not want the fight. He made his intent regarding GGG long before he won the title.

[Luiz]

Saunders should take the money make a stinker and go back to UK as the who broke the KO streak.