Why has GGG's career been moved so slowly?

[-PBP-]

Golovkin was a nobody until he beat the** Polish Roy Jones Jr (obviously Proska is nothing compared to Roy, I say this jokingly because his stance and movement).** Since then he's fought who has been available. Sturmand Quillin wanted nothing to do with him. Martinez's camp also was shaky about fighting Golovkin. Of course Chavez Jr. got the fight with Martinez because of his father's name then moved up because he couldn't find diuretics strong enough to get him down to 160 anymore. After that Martinez was injured. Pirog got injured and retired. Jacobs had health issues.

Way I see it is GGG should fight Jacobs then move up to 168.

EDIT: Re-watching the Proska fight, he looked more like a poor man's Martinez.

What people fail to realize is a few things. The fighters that "ducked" GGG were either:

1. Not good
2. Have network/promotional issues
3. Had better financial opportunities presented to them
4. A combination of the above
5. All of the above


Why would Sturm fight Golovkin when he can make money fighting anyone in Germany for more money? He's not good enough to beat GGG. Dude is a fringe contender at best who is just making a living. Someone else mentioned N'Dam? Really? Is that the fight that would take his body of work to the next level? Barker?

Martinez was shot and had been shot for years. His knees were deteriorated and he was trying to cash out. Who would you rather cash out with: Cotto or GGG? And after seeing the Cotto fight, who in their right mind would want to see GGG vs. Martinez? Do you hate Sergio that much?

Quillin and Jacobs? If he can fight them he could have fought Lara. But for some reason, those 2 are pathetic duckers and Lara has Haymon problems. And besides, they are average fringe contenders.

Miguel Cotto. Dude isn't even a real middleweight and never was one. He capitalized on an opportunity and used his name for earnings. Who the hell would want to see GGG vs. Cotto? We already know the outcome. Cotto's punches were like love taps against Canelo because he can't **** with these bigger opponents.


This is nothing more than fighters making business decisions which GGG and his team have constantly done as well. He didn't move up to fight Ward because:

1. He's not good enough to beat Ward
2. He has better financial opportunities in line for him
3. The risk doesn't add up to the reward

Where people disagree is not about how good he is, but what we want to see him do.

1. Group 1 wants to see him stay at 160, collect belts and beat the Andy Lee's of the world.

2. Group 2 wants to see how his skills stack up against other fighters who are also pound for pound caliber.

That's all there is to it. There is nothing wrong with being in either group. But let's not use business decisions to pity GGG when he does the same damn thing himself.

[Bullrider]

Can't believe they're still mentioning Ward. Let's set it straight. Both GGG and Ward don't want the fight. End of story. Both never made any effort to make the fight happen, especially Ward, who got this huge ROC Nation behind him. ROC would have gladly made it had Ward expressed interest in it. Come on people. Let's stop this nonsense. It's tiring.

[New England]

Of course "moved slowly" isn't about where he is ranked or if he earned his shot but the quality of the opposition he is facing.

I'll try one time.

You listed all the fights he wasn't getting or didn't get. Lacking these he had choices of opponents. Instead of going to a Ward fight, he has taken a series of very easy fights where he is a huge favorite, which leaves questions regarding how great he really is.

We all concede he is dominant at 160. You could argue there is nothing left for him there. He is getting older. Rather than wait around for the Canelo fight, he had an option of going to 168 where his vast skill set would be tested-since there is really nothing left for him at 160.

He is still fighting the kind of opponents that are beneath him of course that isn't all his fault.

there is nothing at 168, dude. the 168 lbers don't even fight on HBO, and ward is a 175 lber now. there's certainly more at 160, namely alvarez, the only PPV fight within any reasonable weight distance. it's logical for his finances to stay at 160. but for some reason you want him to move up to a division with virtually no possible fights, and think he's protected if he doesn't move to those "dangerous waters."

[Lester Tutor]

GGG is really skilled so it will be tough for both guys. I just think you have to favor GGG if they go in at anything above 157 given his skills and how amped and angry he will be having to wait so long for his shot.

Well you had Postol winning over Matthysse. I had Matthysse winning THINKING he was going to AT LEAST attempt body shots yet he DIDN'T! Surely the reach, boxing skills, and height definitely made it obvious for Postol, but how Matthysse didn't train for any clean body attempts was just ******... I also lost an Aldo vs McGregor bet thinking Aldo would AT LEAST attempt kicks of death the way he controlled distance with Faber. Instead Aldo was tempted for a KO that he got clicked and his face smashed by the refs knee! =P

I think Canelo is just legit crazy power, and Cotto held his own because his chin has been great his whole career. Canelo's body shots were tearing up Kirkland body alone and wobbling dude. Also, Kirkland's assault on Canelo's body, making Pac's 4th round 6 second rope performance look amateur, shows the Red Haired kid is ready to dethrone tripple cheap.

[New England]

What people fail to realize is a few things. The fighters that "ducked" GGG were either:

1. Not good
2. Have network/promotional issues
3. Had better financial opportunities presented to them
4. A combination of the above
5. All of the above


Why would Sturm fight Golovkin when he can make money fighting anyone in Germany for more money? He's not good enough to beat GGG. Dude is a fringe contender at best who is just making a living. Someone else mentioned N'Dam? Really? Is that the fight that would take his body of work to the next level? Barker?

Martinez was shot and had been shot for years. His knees were deteriorated and he was trying to cash out. Who would you rather cash out with: Cotto or GGG? And after seeing the Cotto fight, who in their right mind would want to see GGG vs. Martinez? Do you hate Sergio that much?

Quillin and Jacobs? If he can fight them he could have fought Lara. But for some reason, those 2 are pathetic duckers and Lara has Haymon problems. And besides, they are average fringe contenders.

Miguel Cotto. Dude isn't even a real middleweight and never was one. He capitalized on an opportunity and used his name for earnings. Who the hell would want to see GGG vs. Cotto? We already know the outcome. Cotto's punches were like love taps against Canelo because he can't **** with these bigger opponents.


This is nothing more than fighters making business decisions which GGG and his team have constantly done as well. He didn't move up to fight Ward because:

1. He's not good enough to beat Ward
2. He has better financial opportunities in line for him
3. The risk doesn't add up to the reward

Where people disagree is not about how good he is, but what we want to see him do.

1. Group 1 wants to see him stay at 160, collect belts and beat the Andy Lee's of the world.

2. Group 2 wants to see how his skills stack up against other fighters who are also pound for pound caliber.

That's all there is to it. There is nothing wrong with being in either group. But let's not use business decisions to pity GGG when he does the same damn thing himself.

move to 168, because we won't credit you for being the best 160 lber in the world.

this is your argument . you hold golovkin to the standards of a 168 lber.


moved slowly doe

[New England]

at least larry is willing to say "well, i'm an idiot." and learn.


this thread is full of guys who will argue for 10 pages that floyd mayweather "walked canelo down" . i remember them .



they crap on golovkin because they percieve himi as a threat. it could not be more obvious.


mayweather should have moved up to 160 to fight golovkin. that's fair, right?

[The Big Dunn]

Well you had Postol winning over Matthysse. I had Matthysse winning THINKING he was going to AT LEAST attempt body shots yet he DIDN'T! Surely the reach, boxing skills, and height definitely made it obvious for Postol, but how Matthysse didn't train for any clean body attempts was just ******... I also lost an Aldo vs McGregor bet thinking Aldo would AT LEAST attempt kicks of death the way he controlled distance with Faber. Instead Aldo was tempted for a KO that he got clicked and his face smashed by the refs knee! =P

I think Canelo is just legit crazy power, and Cotto held his own because his chin has been great his whole career. Canelo's body shots were tearing up Kirkland body alone and wobbling dude. Also, Kirkland's assault on Canelo's body, making Pac's 4th round 6 second rope performance look amateur, shows the Red Haired kid is ready to dethrone tripple cheap.

The difference is-Matthysse is IMO an over rated power puncher who can only win by KOing you. GGG is a supremely skilled boxer/puncher who if he doesn't get you out can outbox you.

I'm someone that thinks GGG hasn't shown everything he can do (the reason I wanted the Ward fight so much-IMO ward would force him to use his complete arsenal). Canelo can box well but GGG I no slouch.

[Lester Tutor]

What's ironic is that this whole catchweight drama and justifications from the Far Right and Left is SURPRISINGLY what made Pac's career!!! yet trolls and bandwagoners never got it, and still don't get it. The only person who got it was when Pac fell asleep on some 6th round and begged Floyd to get him out of debt. dem 4 realz yo

[-PBP-]

move to 168, because we won't credit you for being the best 160 lber in the world.

this is your argument


moved slowly doe

That's your game. Twisting words and moving goal posts when you have nothing to offer. I credit him as the common sense champion at 160 and maintain that he's cleaned out the division. There is nothing left to accomplish unless GBP risks it's golden goose.

I just want to see two of the best pound for pound fighters in the world go at it.

[The Big Dunn]

move to 168, because we won't credit you for being the best 160 lber in the world.

this is your argument . you hold golovkin to the standards of a 168 lber.


moved slowly doe

What is this crying and begging for credit about? If you believe he is the best at 160 then what is left for him there?

I mean does beating Johnson, Lee, Selby, canelo change anything?

What about those of us that want to see him fight someone that isn't an 8-1 or more underdog?