Why has GGG's career been moved so slowly?

[New England]

i love these responses to me that are not even replies or metions. thats when you knwo the dude doesn't want a response


just quit whie you're ahead, walk down. i will hollow you out in front of all of your little flunkies again.



this is the guy who said floyd walked canelo down, mind you. i've probably seen that fight 12 times now, and i was there in vegas. still waiting for him to show me some rounds, or even stretches of a few exchanges, where floyd walked canelo down.

it didn't happen. floyd mayweather's stans think it happened becaue they don't understand the nuances of boxing, repeat stuff they heard from roger mayweather [] and are f#cking deluded.

[New England]

What is this crying and begging for credit about? If you believe he is the best at 160 then what is left for him there?

I mean does beating Johnson, Lee, Selby, canelo change anything?

What about those of us that want to see him fight someone that isn't an 8-1 or more underdog?

canelo is the big money fight you seemed to be alluding to earlier :lol1

i thought they boxed for munney doe.



what you need is consistency, dunneybear. youneed to go back and read your posts, and make sure your subsequent posts, whether they're about fighters you care about or not, are consistent. when they're not, i don't take you seriously.

[b00g13man]

What people fail to realize is a few things. The fighters that "ducked" GGG were either:

1. Not good
2. Have network/promotional issues
3. Had better financial opportunities presented to them
4. A combination of the above
5. All of the above


Why would Sturm fight Golovkin when he can make money fighting anyone in Germany for more money? He's not good enough to beat GGG. Dude is a fringe contender at best who is just making a living. Someone else mentioned N'Dam? Really? Is that the fight that would take his body of work to the next level? Barker?

Martinez was shot and had been shot for years. His knees were deteriorated and he was trying to cash out. Who would you rather cash out with: Cotto or GGG? And after seeing the Cotto fight, who in their right mind would want to see GGG vs. Martinez? Do you hate Sergio that much?

Quillin and Jacobs? If he can fight them he could have fought Lara. But for some reason, those 2 are pathetic duckers and Lara has Haymon problems. And besides, they are average fringe contenders.

Miguel Cotto. Dude isn't even a real middleweight and never was one. He capitalized on an opportunity and used his name for earnings. Who the hell would want to see GGG vs. Cotto? We already know the outcome. Cotto's punches were like love taps against Canelo because he can't **** with these bigger opponents.


This is nothing more than fighters making business decisions which GGG and his team have constantly done as well. He didn't move up to fight Ward because:

1. He's not good enough to beat Ward
2. He has better financial opportunities in line for him
3. The risk doesn't add up to the reward

Where people disagree is not about how good he is, but what we want to see him do.

1. Group 1 wants to see him stay at 160, collect belts and beat the Andy Lee's of the world.

2. Group 2 wants to see how his skills stack up against other fighters who are also pound for pound caliber.

That's all there is to it. There is nothing wrong with being in either group. But let's not use business decisions to pity GGG when he does the same damn thing himself.

Couldn't have said it any better if I tried.

[The Big Dunn]

there is nothing at 168, dude. the 168 lbers don't even fight on HBO, and ward is a 175 lber now. there's certainly more at 160, namely alvarez, the only PPV fight within any reasonable weight distance. it's logical for his finances to stay at 160. but for some reason you want him to move up to a division with virtually no possible fights, and think he's protected if he doesn't move to those "dangerous waters."

YOu can't be serious-I posted it makes sense for him to continue what he is doing since it is profitable.

In the past I suggested he go to 168 because HE COULDN'T GET THE FIGHTS HE WANTED AT 160 AND I DIDN'T SEE WHY HE WOULD WASTE TIME BEATING EASY OPPONENT AFTER EASY OPPONENT.

That said, since he entertained 168 for money and not the challenging Wrad fight, he gets some criticism. How is that a problem?

[Lester Tutor]

The difference is-Matthysse is IMO an over rated power puncher who can only win by KOing you. GGG is a supremely skilled boxer/puncher who if he doesn't get you out can outbox you.

I'm someone that thinks GGG hasn't shown everything he can do (the reason I wanted the Ward fight so much-IMO ward would force him to use his complete arsenal). Canelo can box well but GGG I no slouch.

GGG either attempts a Jab night by controlling range or mixing it up with body combinations and lunging. Ironically, that's Canelo! I think GGG will TRY to attempt his jab but it's going to get neutralized the same way Oscar neutralized jabs his whole career, meaning, better than the way Foreman did on his comeback years. Canelo is THE only fighter, if he fights GGG, that slouches or pivots his body back on offensive attempts. No one in GGG's resume has shown defense like that. So therefore, I don't think GGG is going to go for a jab night. Also, name any opponent from GGG's resume that is as fast as Canelo on counter attacks? Lemieux on attempts?!

Canelo is the next generation of Marquez, just straight combo upper torso power and accurate! That's Mexican boxing! And we all know Marquez's power has been legit moving up in weights.

[New England]

That's your game. Twisting words and moving goal posts when you have nothing to offer. I credit him as the common sense champion at 160 and maintain that he's cleaned out the division. There is nothing left to accomplish unless GBP risks it's golden goose.

I just want to see two of the best pound for pound fighters in the world go at it.

so do i. ward moved to 175 for just that. which means golovkin would need to jump two weight classes for you to give him credit.


you crapped on his resume for 500 words, lol. stop acting like you give the guy credit for being the best MW on the planet and a top 5 lb for lber. you're just pinned into a corner and saving face.

[bigjavi973]

I don't have to prove anything, I've seen your posts in the past and I can't imagine I'm the only one who thinks this.

Posts like what???

Me saying Cotto should fight GGG at 160?

Cotto should drop the belt after the martinez fight and fight for the 154 lbs belt?


You can keep reachin some more if you'd like.

[OnePunch]

You mean ''we'll take on any 154 to 168lbr'' If this wasn't true, there would've been extra press by Sanchez or Loeffler that the statement was out of context or incorrect. Anyway you view it...it's called ***** talk, or saying without thinking. Just like every boxer even a 200th ranked fighter would want a fight with Floyd. Most would fight Floyd to say ''I fought him'' knowing they'd get beat!

So, again, ''we'll take on any 154 - 168 pounder'' is another of saying except Ward? logical fallacy innit?! and knowing fully well Ward was inactive and going through financial disputes.

Actually, what he said was "GGG can beat anyone from 154-168". (minor textual difference, but definitely changes the context) I also believe that statement is true, in that I do not think anyone from 154-168 beats GGG.

Where the GGG hate squad goes horribly wrong is in 2 areas:

1. They assume that every single fight they like between 154 and 168 can automatically be made, regardless of promotional, network, or financial obstacles. And if it cant, then its a duck.

2. Assuming that every single opponent between 154 and 168 should be granted the exact same concessions that K2 was willing to make for a different opponent. Of course this is real life, so they arent. Which in their eyes is a duck.

[The Big Dunn]

canelo is the big money fight you seemed to be alluding to earlier :lol1

i thought they boxed for munney doe.



what you need is consistency, dunneybear. youneed to go back and read your posts, and make sure your subsequent posts, whether they're about fighters you care about or not, are consistent. when they're not, i don't take you seriously.

They are consistent. the problem is you spend all your time condensing posters arguments into what you want them to be and then arguing/debating them as a deflective method. If you just read and addressed the posts, there would be less issue.

Go back and read my 1st post in this thread. It clearly says this plan is profitable so he can continue.

The reality is Canelo has other options and can delay the GGG fight for some time. If this happens, GGG has to find another way to get into the big money fight. I think fighting and defeating Ward might be the only other way since everyone else doesn't seem willing to fight him.

[Dr Rumack]

You mean ''we'll take on any 154 to 168lbr'' If this wasn't true, there would've been extra press by Sanchez or Loeffler that the statement was out of context or incorrect. Anyway you view it...it's called ***** talk, or saying without thinking. Just like every boxer even a 200th ranked fighter would want a fight with Floyd. Most would fight Floyd to say ''I fought him'' knowing they'd get beat!

So, again, ''we'll take on any 154 - 168 pounder'' is another of saying except Ward? logical fallacy innit?! and knowing fully well Ward was inactive and going through financial disputes.

I don't get why this is always brought up either. Every fighter in the sport talks about how they'll fight anybody. It's not like Golovkin's people were the only ones who've ever said this. I mean Ward and Hunter spoke about winning a heavyweight belt someday, but they were in no rush to move to the much more exciting 175 after he cleaned out 168. He wanted the fight with Golovkin first because he was fairly sure he'd win. I mean it's not the crime of the century is it?

It's the same deal with Golovkin as far as I can see. If beats Canelo and then hangs around at 160 beating mediocre opposition on PPV then I will have no problem criticising him. But to date I don't have any issues with him in that regard.

From a boxing perspective, he is right to pursue the lineal middleweight crown. 'Would haves' and 'Could haves' won't mean anything when his career is over. Either he becomes part of the middleweight lineage or he doesn't, and as a fan I can easily support his decision to try to do that.

From a commercial perspective, as long as he's making the weight comfortable it obviously makes more sense to stay in the division where Miguel Cotto and Canelo Alvarez fight. Who could even argue that point?

If he had gone up to fight Ward in his first fight at 168 it would have been cool as fuck. And he would have been showing bigger balls than just about anyone in the recent history of the sport. Ward is arguably the best fighter alive in my opinion, and fighting the best fighter in the world in your first fight at a new weight class is nothing any superstar of recent times has done.

But saying it would have been cool if he did it is one thing. Slating him for not doing it is just ridiculous.