Why has GGG's career been moved so slowly?

[The Big Dunn]

dude, you just said the dangerous waters are at 168. you just said it in your last post

how do you forget so quickly? agenda based recollection ?

Saying dangerous waters are at 168 isn't the same as saying "he is ducking Ward" FFS.

Its saying the heavier, bigger fighters could pose problems for him given his style, especially considering he hasn't been fighting top competition.

You limit that statement to just Ward and then try and argue it rather than just responding to what was written.

[Lester Tutor]

basically doe for the 2000th collaborate recap from us that follow boxing...

GGG & Abel started the whole beef a year back or more stating that they can take anyone from 154-168. Unfortunately, many poster loyalists of a fighter still can't realize that such moves open doors to more drama. GGG is close to mid 30, the resume ain't that great, had a chance to fight Ward at 168 way before he moved up. Ward responded to the weight shout out, and then loyalists bring up a duck or say it's unfair... like 35 cents in a savings bank that no one wants to share because they're cheap full of pathetic excuses. moving up in weight became an insecurity from the GGG fanatics. at least Pac fanatics have weights to brag about

[New England]

No that is your argument that you put on others solely for the sake of arguing.

GGG was not getting the fights he wanted. He tried to make other fights. He didn't try as hard to make other fights.

What GGG fans want is people to "be fair" to GGG after years of them seeing no reason to treat other fighters that way. GGG fans ignored facts, politics, context etc etc when criticizing other fighters, yet now want those things to be factored in when criticizing GGG.

Sorry, I don't feel bad that he is getting treated equally.

I didn't put a gun to Team GGG's head and make them say the things they did. I didn't make him willing to fight certain guys at 168 and not others. I didn't make him say he could make 154 comfortably then whine about 155.

Why can't you and the rest of his fans hold him accountable for what he said? That's what you guys used to do, now suddenly you want NSB to take a more reasoned approach.

GTFOH! GGG is reaping what his fans sowed.

for starters, i don't think you're capable of not being a fanboy, and i think you characterize me as a fanboy as a result. you should stop calling me a golovkin fan for that reason. you're expecting bias, like the blatant, well documented biase you displayed in a 6 year race war with manny pacquiao fans, and i don't have any.


golovkin wasn't getting the fights HE EARNED. on no civlized planet, [which earth should be!] is golovkin not the most deserving fighter to challenge at 160 lbs. he's been the most worthy challenger at 160 lbs since martinez was champion.


let's do a litmus test. do you agree that golovkin earned a shot at the MW title over all other fighters?

[kafkod]

he can and i already said i hope he does fight canelo. But the man is 34 and waiting, again, for his fight. Ward was there but they passed him by. He could have went up to fight and then back down and be a superstar. Like he was planning with others

Whether you believe the offer from Ward was genuine or not - I believe it was a PR exercise - the fact is that it only came AFTER Loeffler had decided that Ward was no longer on their agenda and Golovkin was pursuing another path - unification fights with Lemieux and the winner of Cotto/Canelo.

[The Big Dunn]

if you think golovkin's been moved slowly, you're deluded.

they TRIED to move him into fights with:
martinez
quillin
sturm
cotto
alvarez
ndam
barker

and others. those may not be names to write home about [cotto, alvarez, and martinez are likely hall of famers, but they're smaller, two of them are older.] but they are still some of the best MWS on the planet. you can't go into a time machine and bring guys from the past or future to fight.


a fighter is moved slowly, yet he's so good that you think the only "dangerous waters" are 168 lbs? golovkin is not a 168 lber! what does that say about how he was moved, or what we can say about how good he is?



golovkin is very clearly the best 160 lber on the planet, and he'll probably knock canelo out if GBP ever makes that fight. i don't think they will.

It says that he, much like others before him, were high risk, low reward and were unable to get fights because of it.

this is where GGG fans get amnesia. it was GGG himself that was willing to go to 168 when he figured he could get easy wins for big money. Cool, we all get that. what we do not get is why you and other GGG fans stayed silent on this, after YEARS of complaining about this very same thing. G

Going up in weight was never ok for some guys, they had to go up "to fight the best" not "for the money". this was "killing the sport". It would be nice if one of you could discuss the change.

[New England]

Saying dangerous waters are at 168 isn't the same as saying "he is ducking Ward" FFS.

Its saying the heavier, bigger fighters could pose problems for him given his style, especially considering he hasn't been fighting top competition.

You limit that statement to just Ward and then try and argue it rather than just responding to what was written.

he has been fighting top comp, dude! he is the best MW on the planet according to anybody with a pulse. he's just been beating the hell out of them.


you are biased. i've given you plenty of opportunity to be unbiased, and you just can't do it. you cannot admit that golovkin is most deserving challenger at 160. your hands just wont' type the words

and you can't admit that a fighter who has been "moved slowly" can't possibly be the best MW on the planet.


again, how is trying to get the toughest fights in the division being "moved slowly." look at the list i posted. who did golovkin avoid?

again, you're brought to 168 lbs. you seem to think golovkin was moved slowly because he's not at 168


you guys are like chilren. i should get you presents on christmas and watch your faces light up.

[Derranged]

Golovkin was a nobody until he beat the** Polish Roy Jones Jr (obviously Proska is nothing compared to Roy, I say this jokingly because his stance and movement).** Since then he's fought who has been available. Sturmand Quillin wanted nothing to do with him. Martinez's camp also was shaky about fighting Golovkin. Of course Chavez Jr. got the fight with Martinez because of his father's name then moved up because he couldn't find diuretics strong enough to get him down to 160 anymore. After that Martinez was injured. Pirog got injured and retired. Jacobs had health issues.

Way I see it is GGG should fight Jacobs then move up to 168.

EDIT: Re-watching the Proska fight, he looked more like a poor man's Martinez.

[The Big Dunn]

for starters, i don't think you're capable of not being a fanboy, and i think you characterize me as a fanboy as a result. you should stop calling me a golovkin fan for that reason. you're expecting bias, like the blatant, well documented biase you displayed in a 6 year race war with manny pacquiao fans, and i don't have any.


golovkin wasn't getting the fights HE EARNED. on no civlized planet, [which earth should be!] is golovkin not the most deserving fighter to challenge at 160 lbs. he's been the most worthy challenger at 160 lbs since martinez was champion.


let's do a litmus test. do you agree that golovkin earned a shot at the MW title over all other fighters?

NE, stop the BS. Of course he EARNED it, but that is not how most fights are made. It's not merit based.

I am not going to feel bad for GGG that he didn't get fights he wanted. He isn't special and if he has to deal with the seedy side of the sport-so what. Others have as well. Deal with it.

Yes, he worked himself into the position of most worthy but not most profitable. The same crap that kept him from getting those fights made HBO reject Mora and Lara and steer him away from Ward (when the fight was possible).

[HughJass]

NE, stop the BS. Of course he EARNED it, but that is not how most fights are made. It's not merit based.

I am not going to feel bad for GGG that he didn't get fights he wanted. He isn't special and if he has to deal with the seedy side of the sport-so what. Others have as well. Deal with it.

Yes, he worked himself into the position of most worthy but not most profitable. The same crap that kept him from getting those fights made HBO reject Mora and Lara and steer him away from Ward (when the fight was possible).

Seriously,N.E's post for him being a huge Andre Ward fan is 100% truth.

[New England]

It says that he, much like others before him, were high risk, low reward and were unable to get fights because of it.

this is where GGG fans get amnesia. it was GGG himself that was willing to go to 168 when he figured he could get easy wins for big money. Cool, we all get that. what we do not get is why you and other GGG fans stayed silent on this, after YEARS of complaining about this very same thing. G

Going up in weight was never ok for some guys, they had to go up "to fight the best" not "for the money". this was "killing the sport". It would be nice if one of you could discuss the change.

is it because he's white and i'm racist

that's what you're lookingfor, right? i',m a "geriatric?" [IE white lol.]

i am the biggest andre ward fan on the internet . skin color has nothing to do with it. i ujderstand that it's impossible for somebody who was in a 6 year race war on the internet to understand that. the pacquiao - mayweather feud happend. none of your images will ever recover. i know your true feelings


and i've been on the record several times aying that golovkin should have foght at 168 lbs, where ward would have actually been healthy. floyd, alvarez, cotyto, whoever, should fight at 160 if they want to fight golovkin. that's where he's healthy. dropping in weight should basically never happen, certainly not for money. ask chad dawson.

i'm not an andre ward fan now, i take it ?


just admit that you and your little moneyteamers think golovkin was moved slowly because he didn't go to 168 lbs. it will give everybody an opportunty to see your argument distilled, and laugh at you collectively.